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Dagon comments on Open thread, June 20 - June 26, 2016 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Dagon 25 June 2016 01:55:50PM 0 points [-]

Probably, if you're spending time thinking about the possibilities and consequences.

I challenge your statement though, and suspect you've got a near-far conflict in your wants. Unless you state the conditions under which you'll want to die, and think those conditions are inevitable or desirable, you want to live forever.

I predict you'll always want to live for at least another few years, and only induction failure is making you say you don't want to live forever.

Comment author: entirelyuseless 25 June 2016 02:42:53PM 1 point [-]

"Unless you state the conditions..." That is not true. You can want to live a finite life without wanting to die at any particular time.

If you were offered the deal, "Choose the number x and you will receive that much utility, but if you do not choose, you will not receive any," then you will want to choose some finite number, despite the fact that you would prefer a greater number to any particular number. Those desires are consistent, not inconsistent. The problematic issue is in the territory, not in your map of it.

Comment author: Dagon 25 June 2016 09:39:48PM 0 points [-]

Ok, maybe you don't have to state the conditions, but you have to predict that there will be an actual time that you want to die.

I don't follow your utility comparison. I don't think of utility as a number in this way, but even if so, that's not the deal being offered.

In order to not want immortality, you have to want to die. I think this is pretty straightforward. The deal being offered is "you expect some utility amount every moment you experience. some of these may be negative. You have some influence, but not actual control, over future experiences" If you predict that the sum of future experiences is negative, you would be better off dieing now. If you predict positive, you should continue living.

Unless you can predict a point at which you want to die, you should predict that you'll want to live.