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Comment author: tsathoggua 22 June 2016 11:29:23PM -1 points [-]

I hate this so much, and it happens so often with Tech stuff. Just because something is brand new, and does not have laws or regulations relating to it right now does not mean that people can simply do whatever they want.

Courts are still going to litigate this stuff, and people are definately going to sue if they start losing huge amounts of money, and it is just worse that the creators are basically not planning for these issues, but just going off the basis that it is all going to work out.

Comment author: Lumifer 23 June 2016 02:16:11AM 6 points [-]

Just because something is brand new, and does not have laws or regulations relating to it right now does not mean that people can simply do whatever they want.

Well, it's a bit more complicated than that.

When people say that some things (like the blockchain) are outside of the law, they don't usually mean that no one can be sued or that the courts won't try to enforce judgements. What they mean is that those things are hard for the law to reach. A court might issue a judgement but it won't be able to enforce it. The general idea is that enforcement is so difficult and expensive so that it's not worth it.

For a simple example, consider piracy (of the IP kind). It is very much illegal and... so what? I can still go online and download the latest movie in a few minutes. It's not that the FBI can't bust me if it really wants to. It can. But it's inefficient and cost-prohibitive.

As to smart contracts, that's just a misnomer. They are not contracts. They are determistic mechanisms, set up for a particular purpose. Bespoke machines, if you wish. A contract in law implies a meeting of the minds which these algorithms cannot provide. Instead, they offer a guarantee that if you do A, B happens.

They are more akin to vending machines: you feed in some money and you get the item. It's not a contract between you and the vendor -- it's just a machine which you used.

Comment author: WalterL 23 June 2016 01:54:48PM 1 point [-]

Lum has the right of it. Thanks for writing that. I was trying to phrase it right and kept ending up with "Physics doesn't care if you hate it so much".

Comment author: ChristianKl 23 June 2016 11:01:12AM 2 points [-]

it is just worse that the creators are basically not planning for these issues

Of course the creators do plan for the issue. They make sure that there no central point of failure that can easily be attacked.

Comment author: ChristianKl 23 June 2016 10:50:25AM 0 points [-]

Courts are still going to litigate this stuff, and people are definately going to sue if they start losing huge amounts of money

Which of those people who lost bitcoin when MtGox has hacked sued the miners to transfer the stolen money back to their accounts?