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Tried listening.
doubt the rest is worth it.
Oh god. This is really bad.
Someone should tell him about the straw vulcan.
The more we (lw'ers) are tied to the word "Rationality". That should happen less. If you feel personally affected by the idea that someone says this part of your identity is wrong, then maybe it's time to be more fox and less hedgehog.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hedgehog_and_the_Fox
This is a personal mantra of mine.
I think he's aware of the stereotype, but obviously, from my perspective, people are getting triggered left and right that rationality might somehow be wrong.
Of course not wrong in the sense that rationality in the matrix might still be considered "superior" over all other Ways in the matrix. But it is still the matrix and we're happy to play that game because it's fun :)
So, you keep using that word, "rationality," even though we've mentioned that LW uses it to mean something else. I don't know what you or the creator of the video mean by it, but I'm confident it's not the same. Perhaps instead of claiming that "people are getting triggered," you should ask yourself if you've succeeded in getting your most basic point across, or if we might be confused about which subject matter you want to address. Consider throwing out the video's words and finding new ones.
In addition, a good way to establish that your subject matter is real and not imaginary is to show people. When talking about stupidity this can be rude, but sometimes it seems unavoidable. I suppose in principle you could describe a time when you made the mistake in question.
Rationality the word might as well be tree, it doesn't mean anything. It's simply a limitation of the mind to not see the obvious truth right there, or let's say nowhere.
I did not succeed in getting my most basic point across, neither do I know how to right now.
With the limitations of language, our current technology? You can only figure out the truth for yourself, it is empirical, it can't be otherwise.
Which mistake? In what larger context?
I think it is worth it. You don't have to process the information and adapt it as your own. Simply give an argument against it if you're willing to teach others.
Of course I don't know if it's worth it for you, it certainly is worth it for me to ask.
It's much easier to do that if the author is willing to actually provide an argument in written form instead of only being able to make his case in a YouTube video. Avoidance of the written word in favor of video to make deep arguments is generally a good signal of unclear thinking.