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Comment author: chron 18 September 2016 08:04:57PM *  3 points [-]

The case for being pro-choice is so strong even neoreactionaries and fascists are pro-choice. Interestingly, on this specific issue, conservatives are to the right of fascists!

Rather, the standard conservative argument against abortion, based on the fetus's right to life, isn't going to convince neo-reactionaries or fascists who don't believe in human rights. On the other hand, they might well be convinced by Margret Sanger-style arguments about aborting undesirables.

Comment author: skeptical_lurker 20 September 2016 07:10:57PM 1 point [-]

This is a good point, although I would partially agree with them - not only am I pro-choice, but I would strongly advice someone to abort if the child would have Down's syndrome for instance. It is the humane thing to do for all involved - you don't condemn a child to sickness and parents to possibly watching a child die before they do.

Comment author: chron 21 September 2016 04:51:33AM 2 points [-]

Ok, would you extend that logic to other undesirable traits, including ones that correlate with race?

Comment author: skeptical_lurker 21 September 2016 11:26:51AM 0 points [-]

Well, firstly I'm saying this should be voluntary, and most people are not going to try to commit genocide, especially against their own race. Secondly, do you realise that the number of kids people have already correlates strongly with race and religion? Although, the correlation is more that race correlates with religion and development which in turn causes fertility. I'm not claiming that race causes religion. Thirdly, aborting kids with horrible genetic deceases could actually raise the population after two generations, because the diseases would stop the kids from having kids of their own.

Generally, I don't find the argument "X is bad because it's affects correlates with race" to be plausible, because its so universal. It would stop you doing anything.