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Comment author: Brillyant 13 October 2016 06:17:25PM *  -2 points [-]

There are smart people, there are stupid people, and the correlation to some outwardly visible feature like the colour of the skin doesn't matter much.

How do you mean? You're saying you believe it to be true that, generally, people with black skin color are more likely to have a significantly lower IQ than people with white skin color... And you believe that IQ is correlated with life outcomes. How can this not matter much?

I find affirmative action counter-productive.

I also have the sense this may be true in many instances. The theory seems solid, but I'm not sure it works as intended in practice.

For another example, I don't believe the claims that inner-city schools (read: black) lag behind suburban schools (read: not black) because of lack of funding or because of surrounding poverty.

Why do they lag behind? Is it because of the IQ difference you believe exists between black and whites?

...

You say you're not a white nationalist...I'm curious about your reaction to those who are? In regard to segregation, for instance... You say you don't think the Europeans should re-colonise Africa for the natives' own good—Why not?

Comment author: Lumifer 13 October 2016 07:00:24PM 1 point [-]

How can this not matter much?

Stupid people are still people. They have rights. Their propensity to make stupid decisions is not sufficient to take away from them the power to make decisions.

Is it because of the IQ difference you believe exists between black and whites?

Yes.

your reaction to those who are?

Is a shrug :-) People have all kinds of political beliefs, I don't find the white nationalists to be extraordinary.

As to re-colonising Africa, see the first paragraph :-)

Comment author: Brillyant 13 October 2016 07:54:58PM -2 points [-]

Hm. These views seem very likely to lead to racism.

I've read Breitbart frequently since Steve Bannon was added to Trump's campaign because I'm fascinated with how Trump (an obvious hustler/fraud/charlatan in my view) has managed to get this close to the Oval Office. It's been illuminating (in a disturbing way) in understanding where I now believe a lot of the Trump support is coming from.

I'm confident a portion of his support is just Red-Team-no-matter-what Repubs. And some are one issue Pro-Life Christians. And some are fiscal conservatives who are sincerely just concerned about the debt and spending. And some are blue collar workers in areas (Ohio, Pennsylvania, etc.) where the global economy/technology caused manufacturing to dry up decades ago and they are mad as hell about the facts of the world and will just keep voting to change something, anything until they day they die...

But there is also this (disturbingly large) element of the movement that think non-white people are less than white people. Like, this group of Trump supporters are literally white supremacists—they believe white people are better suited for civilization. And, of course, no one can say that and politically get away with it in 2016, so they use all sorts of dog whistle-y language to imply it—including the main Trumpian slogan, "Make America Great Again­™"

Comment author: chron 13 October 2016 08:04:56PM *  1 point [-]

These views seem very likely to lead to racism.

What do you mean by "racism". If you mean "the belief that people of different races differ in ability", then yes. Of cource, in that case being "racist" is in fact rational.

As Eliezer likes to say "that which can be destroyed by the truth should be".