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0 Post author: curi 22 November 2017 09:16PM

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Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 29 November 2017 01:17:51PM *  2 points [-]

Why should I do this for you? Do you think you have any value to offer me, and if so what?

You have it the wrong way around. This is something that you do for yourself, in order to convince other people that you have value to offer for them.

You're the one who needs to convince your readers that your work is worth engaging with. If you're not willing to put in the effort needed to convince potential readers of the value of your work, then the potential readers are going to ignore you and instead go read someone who did put in that effort.

Comment author: curi 29 November 2017 08:03:03PM 0 points [-]

I already did put work into that. Then they refused to read references, for unstated reasons, and asked me to rewrite the same things I already wrote, as well as rewrite things written by Popper and others. I don't want to put in duplicate work.

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 02 December 2017 12:37:20PM 1 point [-]

Any learning - including learning how to communicate persuasively - requires repeated tries, feedback, and learning from feedback. People are telling you what kind of writing they might find more persuasive, which is an opportunity for you to learn. Don't think of it as duplicate work, think of it as repeatedly iterating a work and gradually getting towards the point where it's persuasive to your intended audience. Because until you can make it persuasive, the work isn't finished, so it's not even duplicating anything. Just finishing what you originally started.

Of course, if you deem that to be too much effort, that's fair. But the world is full of writers who have taken the opportunity to learn and hone their craft until they could clearly communicate to their readers why their work is worth reading. If you don't, then you can't really blame your potential readers for not bothering to read your stuff - there are a lot of things that people could be reading, and it's only rational for them to focus on the stuff that shows the clearest signs of being important or interesting.

Comment author: curi 02 December 2017 01:24:35PM *  0 points [-]

again: i and others already wrote it and they don't want to read it. how will writing it again change anything? they still won't want to read it. this request for new material makes no sense whatsoever. it's not that they read the existing material and have some complaint and want it to be better in some way, they just won't read.

your community as a whole has no answer to some fairly famous philosophers and doesn't care. everyone is just like "they don't look promising" and doesn't have arguments.

Comment author: ZeitPolizei 03 December 2017 04:07:28AM 0 points [-]

how will writing it again change anything?

Why should anyone answer this question? Kaj has already written an answer to this question above, but you don't understand it. How will writing it again change anything? You still won't understand it. This request for an explanation makes no sense whatsoever. It's not that you understand the answer and have some complaint and want it to be better in some way, you just won't understand.

You claim you want to be told when you're mistaken, but you completely dismiss any and all arguments. You're just like "these people obviously haven't spent hundreds of hours learning and thinking about CR, so there is no way they can have any valid opinion about it" and won't engage their arguments on a level so that they are willing to listen and able to understand.

Comment author: curi 03 December 2017 02:55:03PM 0 points [-]

Do you want new material which is the same as previous material, or different? If the same, I don't get it. if different, in what ways and why?

Comment author: ZeitPolizei 03 December 2017 09:48:20PM 0 points [-]

It seems no one on LW is able to explain to you how and why people want different material. To my mind, Kaj's explanation is perfectly clear. I'm afraid it's up to you, to figure it out for yourself. Until you do, people will keep giving you invalid arguments, or downvote and ignore you.