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0 Post author: curi 22 November 2017 09:16PM

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Comment author: curi 01 December 2017 06:37:34AM 0 points [-]

i literally already gave u a definition of force and suggested you had no idea what i was talking about. you ignored me. this is 100% your fault and you still haven't even tried to say what you think "force" is.

Comment author: entirelyuseless 01 December 2017 04:09:22PM 0 points [-]

I ignored you because your definition of force was wrong. That is not what the word means in English. If you pick someone up and take them away from a set of stairs, that is force if they were trying to move toward them, even if they would not like to fall down them.

Comment author: curi 01 December 2017 07:48:41PM 0 points [-]

I suppose you're going to tell me that pushing or pulling my spouse out of the way of a car that was going to hit them, without asking for consent first (don't have time), is using force against them, too, even though it's exactly what they want me to do. While still not explaining what you think "force" is, and not acknowledging that TCS's claims must be evaluated in its own terminology.

At that point I'll wonder what types of "force" you advocate using against children that you do not think should be used on adults.

Comment author: entirelyuseless 02 December 2017 02:26:19AM 0 points [-]

I suppose you're going to tell me that pushing or pulling my spouse out of the way of a car

Yes, it is.

Secondly, it is quite different from the stairway case, because your spouse would do the same thing on purpose if they saw the car, but the child will not move away when they see the stairs.

At that point I'll wonder what types of "force" you advocate using against children that you do not think should be used on adults.

Who said I advocate using force against children that we would not use against adults? We use force against adults, e.g. putting criminals in prison. It is an extremist ideology to say that you should never use force against adults, and it is equally an extremist ideology to say that you should never use force with children.