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0 Post author: curi 22 November 2017 09:16PM

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Comment author: Lumifer 01 December 2017 09:29:10PM 0 points [-]

You don't think that figuring out which ideas are "best available" is the hard part? Everyone and his dog claims his idea is the best.

well, using philosophy i did that hard part and figured out which ones are good

LOL. Oh boy.

Really? So you just used t̶h̶e̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶c̶e̶ philosophy and figured it out? That's great! Just a minor thing I'm confused about -- why are you here chatting on the 'net instead of sitting on your megayacht with a line of VCs in front of your door, willing to pay you gazillions of dollars for telling them which ideas are actually good? This looks to be VERY valuable knowledge, surely you should be able to exchange it for lots and lots of money in this capitalist economy?

Comment author: Elo 01 December 2017 09:42:02PM 0 points [-]

When Banzan was walking through a market he overheard a conversation between a butcher and his customer. “Give me the best piece of meat you have,” said the customer.

“Everything in my shop is the best,” replied the butcher. You cannot find here any piece of meat that is not the best.”

At these words Banzan became enlightened.

http://12stepsandzenkoans.blogspot.com.au/2013/08/everything-is-best-part-ii.html?m=1

Comment author: curi 01 December 2017 09:36:05PM *  0 points [-]

the VCs would laugh, like you, and don't want to hear it. surely this doesn't surprise you.

i'm also not a big fan of yachts and prefer discussions.

Comment author: Lumifer 01 December 2017 09:45:14PM 0 points [-]

No, what surprises me is your belief that you just figured it all out. Using philosophy. That's it, we're done, everyone can go home now.

And since everything is binary and you don't have any tools to talk about things like uncertainty, this is The Truth and anyone who doesn't recognize it as such is either a knave or a fool.

There also a delicious overtone of irony in that a guy as lacking in humility as you are, chooses to describe his system as "fallible ideas".

Comment author: curi 01 December 2017 09:57:18PM 0 points [-]

i have tools to talk about uncertainty, which are different than your tools, and which conceive of uncertainty somewhat differently than you do.

i have not figured it ALL out, but many things, such as the quality of SENS and twin studies.

fallibilism is one of the major philosophical ideas used in figuring things out. it's crucial but it doesn't imply, as you seem to believe, hedging, ignorance, equivocation, not knowing much, etc.