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Comment author: IlyaShpitser 06 December 2017 06:05:05PM *  7 points [-]

You are really confused about statistics and learning, and possibly also about formal languages in theoretical CS. I neither want nor have time to get into this with you, just wanted to point this out for your potential benefit.

Comment author: Fallibilist 06 December 2017 06:43:28PM 0 points [-]

I am summarizing a view shared by other Critical Rationalists, including Deutsch. Do you think they are confused too?

Comment author: HungryHobo 08 December 2017 10:15:18PM 5 points [-]

It's pretty common for groups of people to band together around confused beliefs.

Millions of people have incorrect beliefs about vaccines, millions more are part of new age groups which have embraced confused and wrong beliefs about quantum physics (often related to utterly misunderstanding the term "Observer" as used in physics) and millions more have banded together around incorrect beliefs about biology. Are you smarter than all of those people combined? Are you smarter than every single individual in those groups? probably not but...

The man who replaced me on the commission said, “That book was approved by sixty-five engineers at the Such-and-such Aircraft Company!”

I didn’t doubt that the company had some pretty good engineers, but to take sixty-five engineers is to take a wide range of ability–and to necessarily include some pretty poor guys! It was once again the problem of averaging the length of the emperor’s nose, or the ratings on a book with nothing between the covers. It would have been far better to have the company decide who their better engineers were, and to have them look at the book. I couldn’t claim to that I was smarter than sixty-five other guys–but the average of sixty-five other guys, certainly!

I couldn’t get through to him, and the book was approved by the board.

— from “Surely You’re Joking, Mr. Feynman” (Adventures of a Curious Character)
Comment author: IlyaShpitser 08 December 2017 10:54:55PM *  1 point [-]

One of my favorite examples of a smart person being confused about something is ET Jaynes being confused about Bell inequalities.

Smart people are confused all the time, even (perhaps especially) in their area.

Comment author: Fallibilist 09 December 2017 01:49:37AM *  0 points [-]

Critical Rationalists think that E. T. Jaynes is confused about a lot of things. There has been discussion about this on the Fallible Ideas list.

Comment author: Fallibilist 09 December 2017 12:25:54AM 0 points [-]

FYI, Feynman was a critical rationalist.

Comment author: Elo 09 December 2017 12:35:31AM 0 points [-]

Hahahahaha

Comment author: Fallibilist 09 December 2017 01:30:42AM *  0 points [-]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KmimDq4cSU

Everything he says in that video is in accord with CR and with what I wrote about how we acquire knowledge. Note how the audience laughs when he says you start with a guess. What he says is in conflict with how LW thinks the scientific method works (like in the Solomonoff guide I referenced).

Comment author: Fallibilist 09 December 2017 12:12:35AM *  0 points [-]

Millions of people have incorrect beliefs about vaccines, millions more are part of new age groups which have embraced confused and wrong beliefs about quantum physics (often related to utterly misunderstanding the term "Observer" as used in physics) ...

You are indirectly echoing ideas that come from David Deutsch. FYI, Deutsch is a proponent of the Many Worlds Explanation of quantum physics and he invented the idea of the universal quantum computer, founding quantum information theory. He talks about them in BoI.