Jack comments on Selfishness Signals Status - LessWrong

-1 Post author: Liron 07 March 2010 03:38AM

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Comment author: Jack 07 March 2010 05:14:13AM 6 points [-]

Note that these only work if the group also knows that the person is capable of all these low-status indicators. For example, slouching, not understanding social-niceties and manners, not being able to converse, not being able to afford nice clothes or have the sense of fashion to pick decent sets, or not having anything worth showing off are all low-status indicators. It's demonstrating the option, not the necessity of these behaviors that is high-status.

Comment author: Liron 07 March 2010 07:31:21AM 1 point [-]

That is why I say: Selfishness signals status.

The inference goes: surface features -> detecting the presence of optimization for self-pleasure -> high status

It could have also gone: surface features -> detecting poverty/incompetence -> low status

But the former is what I mean by "selfishness".

Comment author: Jack 07 March 2010 07:39:46AM *  6 points [-]

I think it might be more basic like: x gets away with breaking norm y -> x is high status. But alright

Comment author: magfrump 07 March 2010 06:54:25PM 0 points [-]

Could this possibly explain people being put off by homeless people, etc.?

Because they are breaking norms (wearing nice clothes, being clean, etc.) they are seen as demonstrating high status, but they clearly are not. So they are exceeding their status and should be shunned?

Comment author: wedrifid 09 March 2010 01:09:29AM *  0 points [-]

It is the getting away with it part that suggests high status. Not getting away with it is low status to the extreme!

Comment author: magfrump 09 March 2010 04:45:21PM 1 point [-]

There are two levels of "getting away with it."

That is, while they may not be "getting away with it" in other people's eyes, they aren't appropriately embarrassed by their extreme low status.