Wei_Dai comments on The Meaning of Life - LessWrong

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Comment author: Wei_Dai 17 September 2010 10:02:01PM 18 points [-]

I had a secular upbringing. I'm not disappointed that the universe has no meaning (i.e., purpose given by a creator) but I do sometimes find it frustrating to be in the situation of being an optimizer who doesn't know what it is they're supposed to optimize.

Comment author: Nisan 17 September 2010 11:16:52PM 13 points [-]

It is as if a capricious creator-god made a hodge-podge of heuristics and underdetermined and conflicting preferences, and as an afterthought endowed it with the desire to have a comprehendible set of values.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 19 September 2010 04:56:53AM *  2 points [-]

Indeed, a very alien god.

Comment author: Liron 18 September 2010 02:05:07AM 1 point [-]

Man, this comment thread is so profound.

Comment author: Will_Newsome 17 September 2010 10:54:28PM *  9 points [-]

I'm sure anyone who's really thought about the problem of extrapolating volition has been rather frustrated with this at some point. Not only is it uselessly difficult to figure out what we want, it's incredibly difficult to figure out how to design something that figures out what we want, and this chain of dependencies ends up requiring vast knowledge of mathematics, psychology, philosophy, cosmology, and other fields that any sane agent just shouldn't need to have mastered in order to introspect on the question of "In the end, what am I trying to do?".

Comment author: cousin_it 21 September 2010 09:33:51PM *  0 points [-]

an optimizer who doesn't know what it is they're supposed to optimize

Doesn't this contradict another comment of yours?

Comment author: Wei_Dai 21 September 2010 10:03:59PM 0 points [-]

In what way do they contradict each other? Please explain.

Comment author: cousin_it 21 September 2010 10:33:53PM 1 point [-]

If you know you have no utility function, why do you feel you're an optimizer?

Comment author: Wei_Dai 22 September 2010 02:06:59AM 0 points [-]

I guess I used the word "optimizer" because

  1. I personally enjoy optimizing things, for example writing the fastest and/or most elegant code, or finding the best deal on a purchase.
  2. I'm similar to a utility maximizer in many respects (e.g., has beliefs based on deduction and induction, considers consequences of actions, etc.) except that I don't seem to have a utility function.