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Comment author: whpearson 16 October 2010 01:49:17PM 3 points [-]

There is bullying/ostracism however it isn't as formalised.

I would be tempted to blame the sports. Simply it creates an in group of people that are considered higher status. There are pep rallies to them, with beautiful girls cheering them on, that has to create an inflated sense of worth/superiority/difference.

So they persecute the out group, the geeks, to signal their in-group ness and preserve their sense of superiority. I suppose it is similar to the stanford prison experiment. Raise one group above another and that group seems to persecute the other.

Comment author: wedrifid 16 October 2010 08:12:01PM 1 point [-]

I would be tempted to blame the sports. Simply it creates an in group of people that are considered higher status. There are pep rallies to them, with beautiful girls cheering them on, that has to create an inflated sense of worth/superiority/difference.

It's definitely not the sports that do it. You may be right about all the rest of the stuff that is associated with sport over there. Cheerleaders? That's not just in the teen movies right, you actually have them?

Does being a nerd and a good athlete seem out of place in that culture? Come to think of it there is a separate group for 'band nerds' too if my consumption of low grade entertainment is anything to go by. I wouldn't know where to put myself!

Comment author: whpearson 17 October 2010 08:18:25PM 1 point [-]

It's definitely not the sports that do it.

Yeah by sports I meant the importance given to it. In comparison we don't have such things as sports scholarships (irrespective of academic talent, which I think is called an entrance scholarship) for prestigious universities. Does Australia?

I'm a Pom, so my exposure to American culture is mainly fictional in nature as well. I've seen a number of documentaries as well though. The BBC loves analysing the US.

Comment author: wedrifid 18 October 2010 07:55:36AM 2 points [-]

Yeah by sports I meant the importance given to it. In comparison we don't have such things as sports scholarships (irrespective of academic talent, which I think is called an entrance scholarship) for prestigious universities. Does Australia?

Heck no. University sports here are relatively obscure. They are there for students who enjoy them but they are approximately status neutral.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 16 October 2010 09:57:02PM 0 points [-]

High school cheerleaders at a game.

This was actually a little harder to find than cheerleading competitions. It's morphed into its own sport.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 16 October 2010 02:01:16PM 0 points [-]

Athletes don't do all the bullying-- not even most of it, I think.

It's possible that the high emphasis on sports poisons the whole atmosphere.

Comment author: Vladimir_M 16 October 2010 07:41:19PM *  3 points [-]

NancyLebovitz:

Athletes don't do all the bullying-- not even most of it, I think.

That's not a necessary implication of whpearson's theory. Once the athleete/nerd stratification has been established, it may create bullying incentives for those who are physically stronger than the nerds, but not part of the elite athlete circle. Such individuals will want to assert superiority to the nerds to at least confirm their middle-rank status if they can't achieve the top one, and bullying seems like a straightforward strategy.

I didn't go myself through the American school system, though, so I have no idea how well this hypothesis holds water.

Comment author: wedrifid 16 October 2010 07:57:12PM 2 points [-]

Once the athleete/nerd stratification has been established, it may create bullying incentives for those who are physically stronger than the nerds, but not part of the elite athlete circle. Such individuals will want to assert superiority to the nerds to at least confirm their middle-rank status if they can't achieve the top one, and bullying seems like a straightforward strategy.

I didn't go through the American school system either but your theory seems to match with general observable tendencies. Bullying and crude social aggression isn't an indicator of high status so much as an indicator of 'medium high status that requires effort to maintain'. This is why I make sure I never work for an insecure boss.