HonoreDB comments on You're in Newcomb's Box - LessWrong

40 Post author: HonoreDB 05 February 2011 08:46PM

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Comment author: ArisKatsaris 01 February 2011 09:04:28PM *  3 points [-]

Rationalists should win.

In this scenario two-boxers get 200$ and exist, while one-boxers get 100$ and exist.

Two-boxers will be numerically fewer, because Prometheus is biased in favour of irrationality, but nonetheless it'll be two-boxers that'll be winning. That's the opposite of two-boxers in the Newcomb problem.

Comment author: HonoreDB 01 February 2011 10:43:15PM 25 points [-]

It looks like you're trying to trade decreased measure for increased utility.

Comment author: ArisKatsaris 01 February 2011 11:34:27PM *  6 points [-]

Nice icon, though my reasoning is the exact opposite than that of Quantum Suicide. I have no shared identity with the people who would one-box here, so I don't need to one-box in order to increase their chances at having existed -- if anything such an action would increase the stupidity levels in the multiverse.

Even a one-boxer would have to be particularly weird to want to increase the amplitude of his universe's configuration, as if that would affect his own life at all.

Quantum Suicide on the other hand assumes a shared identity between the people who'll die and the people who'll suffer permanent brain damage with a bullet lodged on their brain, and the people who'll have their consciousness magically copied by magical aliens before they kill themselves. I don't assume shared identity, and that's why I two-box here, quantum suiciders on the other hand assume it and that's why they fail.

Comment author: JenniferRM 01 February 2011 11:22:20PM 2 points [-]

! ! ! !

Tangential Question: Would it be good or bad for the world if 4chan picked this up as a meme?

Comment author: JGWeissman 01 February 2011 11:29:29PM 1 point [-]

Which meme, MS Clippy jokes or quantum suicide?

Comment author: NihilCredo 03 February 2011 02:46:10AM 1 point [-]

I'm fine with 4channers picking up quantum suicide, especially since to me it will almost always look like regular suicide.

Comment author: David_Gerard 02 February 2011 12:18:16AM 0 points [-]

The Friendly AI must be kept away from 4chan at all costs.

Comment author: JGWeissman 02 February 2011 12:28:05AM 8 points [-]

FAI's don't run away from hard problems.

Comment author: JenniferRM 02 February 2011 02:21:03AM 2 points [-]

I should have been more specific.

I'm not wondering whether interacting with 4chan would poison the mind of a specific software construct. I'm wondering whether the long term political consequences would be good or bad if the 4chan community picked up the generic technique of adding photo-shopped text to MS Clippy images as a joke generating engine that involved re-purposing of LW's themes content (probably sometimes in troll-like or deprecating ways).

Would it raise interesting emotional critiques of moral arguments? Would it poison the discourse with jokes and confusion? Would it bring new people here with worthwhile insights? Would it reduce/increase the seriousness with which the wider world took AGI research... and which of those outcomes is even preferred?

I still don't really have a good theory of what kinds of mass opinion on the subject of FAI is possible or desirable and when I see something novel like the clippy image it sometimes makes me try to re-calculate the public relations angle of singularity stuff.

Comment author: wedrifid 01 February 2011 11:21:09PM 0 points [-]

That is brilliant. Did you create it manually?

Comment author: HonoreDB 02 February 2011 12:38:27AM 0 points [-]

Thanks, I did. I'm sure there are generators for it, though.