Kaj_Sotala comments on Rationality Lessons Learned from Irrational Adventures in Romance - LessWrong

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Comment author: lessdazed 04 October 2011 04:46:45PM *  11 points [-]

The conscious or subconscious decision to read "women/men want" as "women/men all want" rather than "women/men generally want" is a mental step, just as the conscious or subconscious decision to read "women/men want" as "women/men generally want" rather than "women/men all want" is a step.

It's not obviously the default to read "women/men want" as "women/men all want".

In this context, to do so is a) obviously wrong to me, b) actually wrong according to the intent of the author and c) would result in the author saying something stupid rather than arguably true.

A critical reading skill is to read charitably such that the author is not saying something stupid, and I have trouble sympathizing with what I see as an abandonment of that duty by readers or commenters excusing and/or justifying that.

If I say in passing "men are taller than women", I hope I don't get assailed by people pointing out that at maturity, many women are taller than many men, or that men start as babies less than a foot or so tall, at which point almost every female is taller than they are*.

*And when I say "almost every female is taller than they are," I mean female human, as most females are of smaller species and our babies are taller than they are**.

**And when I say "most females are of smaller species and are babies are taller than they are" I mean of species so far discovered***.

***And when I say "of species so far discovered" I mean "discovered by humans," for other species may have discovered many more large species than we have discovered small species.****

****And when I say "discovered by humans," I mean as far as I know.*****

*****And when I say "as far as I know," I mean as far as I knew when typing this.

I hope that's enough disclaimers to protect from those determined to misread my words.

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 04 October 2011 06:25:12PM 9 points [-]

But this presumes that the reader does already realize that a claim of the type "all men want x" (or even "the overwhelming majority of men want x") is stupid, while my point was that for many people, "all men want x" is a perfectly reasonable claim.

Comment author: lessdazed 04 October 2011 10:29:42PM 2 points [-]

Do you have examples of people agreeing with what they believe to be a claim of the type "all men want x"?

So far I've only seen people a) disagreeing with what they interpret as such claims on the grounds they are unreasonable and b) saying that others will mistakenly agree with the unreasonable interpretation and find it reasonable.

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 05 October 2011 07:56:53AM 1 point [-]

I seem to remember running into such people, but don't remember any particular occasion well enough to give a cite.