Jack comments on A Rationalist's Tale - LessWrong

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Comment author: Jack 10 September 2011 11:25:18AM 1 point [-]

Modern platonism is just the view that abstract objects exist.

Comment author: lessdazed 11 September 2011 02:21:05AM 4 points [-]

Do they causally do anything?

Comment author: Jack 11 September 2011 01:20:16PM 1 point [-]

Of course not.

Comment author: Will_Newsome 04 March 2012 01:15:49AM 0 points [-]

What? Of course abstract objects have causal influence... why do you think people don't think they do?

Comment author: Jack 04 March 2012 08:16:32AM 1 point [-]

Because I've studied metaphysics? It's not even a quirky feature of abstract objects it's often how they are defined. Now that distinction may be merely an indexical one-- the physical universe could be an abstraction in some other physical universe and we just call ours 'concrete' because we're in it. But the distinction is still true.

If you can give an instance of an abstract object exerting causal influence that would be big news in metaphysics.

(Note that an abstract object exerting causal influence is not the same as tokens of that abstraction exerting causal influence due features that the token possesses in virtue of being a token of that abstract object. That is "Bayes Theorem caused me to realize a lot of my beliefs were wrong" is referring to the copy of Bayes Theorem in your brain, not the Platonic entity. There are also type-causal statements like "Smoking causes cancer" but these are not claims of abstract objects having causal influence just abstractions on individual, token instances of causality. None of this, or my assent to lessdazed question, reflects a disparaging attitude toward abstract objects. You can't talk about the world without them. They're just not what causes are made of.)

Comment author: Will_Newsome 04 March 2012 08:24:48AM *  0 points [-]

Okay, thanks; right after commenting I realized I'd almost certainly mixed up my quotation and referent. (Such things often happen to a computationalist.)

ETA: A few days ago I got the definition of moral cognitivism completely wrong too... maybe some of my neurons are dying. :/