lessdazed comments on Open Thread: September 2011 - LessWrong

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Comment author: wedrifid 07 September 2011 09:30:12AM *  1 point [-]

Downvoted for encouraging people to screw over other people by backing out of their agreements... What would happen to tests if every trial patient tested their medicine to see if it's a placebo? Don't you believe there's value in having control groups in medical testing?

Downvoted for actively polluting the epistemic belief pool for the purpose of a shaming attempt. I here refer especially (but not only) to the rhetorical question:

Don't you believe there's value in having control groups in medical testing?

I obviously believe there's a value in having control groups. Not only is that an obvious belief but it is actually conveyed by my comment. It is a required premise for the assertion of altruism to make sense.

My comment observes that sacrificing one's own (expected) health for the furthering of human knowledge is an act of altruism. Your comment actively and directly sabotages human knowledge for your own political ends. The latter I consider inexcusable and the former is both true and necessary if you wish to encourage people who are actually capable of strategic thinking on their own to be altruistic.

You don't persuade rationalists to conform to your will by telling them A is made of fire or by trying to fool them into believing A, B and C don't even exist. That's how you persuade suckers.

Comment author: lessdazed 07 September 2011 10:08:29AM *  4 points [-]

Your comment actively and directly sabotages human knowledge for your own political ends.

OK, see, I thought this might happen. I love your first comment, much more than ArisKatsaris', but despite it having some problems ArisKatsaris is referring to, not because it is perfect. I only upvoted his comment so I could honestly declare that I had upvoted both of your comments, as I thought that might diffuse the situation - to say I appreciated both replies.

Don't get me wrong - I don't really mind ArisKatsaris' comment and I don't think it's as harmful as you seem to, but I upvoted it for the honesty reason.

You just committed an escalation of the same order of magnitude that he did, or more, as his statements were phrased as questions and were far less accusatory. I thought you might handle this situation like this and I mildly disapprove of being this aggressive with this tone this soon in the conversation.

Comment author: wedrifid 07 September 2011 10:40:36AM *  0 points [-]

I don't think it's as harmful as you seem to

A very slightly harmful instance of a phenomenon that is moderately bad when done on things that matter.

I thought you might handle this situation like this and I mildly disapprove of being this aggressive with this tone this soon in the conversation.

Where 'this soon' means the end. There is nothing more to say, at in this context. (As a secondary consideration my general policy is that conversations which begin with shaming terminate with an error condition immediately.) I do, however, now have inspiration for a post on the purely practical downsides of suppression of consideration of rational alternatives in situations similar to that discussed by the post.

EDIT: No, not post. It is an open thread comment by yourself that could have been a discussion post!

Comment author: lessdazed 07 September 2011 10:51:21AM *  1 point [-]

I'm not unsympathetic.

Compare and contrast my(September 7th, 2011) approach to yours(September 7th, 2011), I guess.

Where 'this soon' means the end.

ADBOC, it didn't have to be.

It is an open thread comment by yourself that could have been a discussion post!

It sort of soon became one.