Alicorn comments on Anti-akrasia tool: like stickK.com for data nerds - LessWrong

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Comment author: Alicorn 14 October 2011 12:02:58AM 7 points [-]

They could charge for access to the version with the tweak. "Premium Beeminder". With statistics to back up how much more effective it is.

Comment author: dlthomas 17 October 2011 06:59:48PM 1 point [-]

Better, for sure. But it's hard to get those statistics without implementing it for a while, and it's a tough PR job to move something that was free behind a paywall...

Comment author: Alicorn 19 October 2011 12:29:26AM *  8 points [-]

"Congratulations, you've been selected to try a new feature that we're thinking of adding to Premium Beeminder, free for six months!"

Comment author: dreeves 14 October 2011 12:34:57AM 1 point [-]

Wow, thanks, Alicorn! That just made my much more convoluted reply moot. :)

One more way to possibly mitigate the incentive problem:
http://beeminder.uservoice.com/forums/3011-general/suggestions/2281088-choose-your-own-incentives-have-an-option-to-pay-

Comment author: pjeby 14 October 2011 03:47:16AM 3 points [-]

One more way to possibly mitigate the incentive problem:

...which is also crazy for a business. Bear in mind that there is a reason that bookies offer 50-to-1 odds on people meeting their weight loss goals.

"Pay if I meet my goal" makes no sense economically or motivationally. It only sounds good to people who don't want to risk anything. If you want to do a non-punishing version, or let people use their own incentives when they fail, just charge a per-goal fee up front, or a time-based fee.

Comment author: GuySrinivasan 19 October 2011 12:39:51AM 1 point [-]

Hm, 50-to-1 is a bit of an exaggeration? It says "up to 50-to-1", and in the same paragraph, "bettors lose 80 percent of the time". Your point besides that stands, though.

Comment author: dlthomas 17 October 2011 07:06:14PM *  2 points [-]

What about some loose social pressure around that?

Like, a special donors list of "kept on track for 6 months and then donated", or merch you can buy after so long without slipping, or something... Make it an achievement, and let people pay for extra recognition of it.