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Comment author: buybuydandavis 29 June 2012 09:04:09PM 1 point [-]

A social conservative here. I'm surprised.

While you're here, do you feel the following is an accurate, fair, and balanced portrayal of the disagreement between social conservatives and liberals on the relationship of homosexuality to the state?

For example, social conservatives sometimes complain that liberals are pushing their morality on them, by requiring things such as not condemning homosexuality. To liberals, this is obviously absurd - nobody is saying that the conservatives should be gay, people are just saying that if somebody is gay, the conservatives shouldn't kill or harass them. From the liberal point of view, it is the conservatives who are pushing their beliefs on others, not vice versa.

Do you think that liberals think that you "should be gay", or that liberals are trying to make you gay, and you would be heartened by disavowals to the contrary? As a social conservative, is your political goal to make killing and harassment of homosexuals legal?

I assume the answer to all my questions would be "no".

What redeeming value do you find in that paragraph?

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 30 June 2012 05:50:56AM *  1 point [-]

Do you think that liberals think that you "should be gay", or that liberals are trying to make you gay, and you would be heartened by disavowals to the contrary? As a social conservative, is your political goal to make killing and harassment of homosexuals legal?

Note that I was not saying that all social conservatives feel this way, only that some do. Certainly there are also social conservative arguments against e.g. homosexual marriage that do not rest on these foundations, or that do not have these exact goals.

Comment author: buybuydandavis 30 June 2012 08:04:44AM *  2 points [-]

Note that I was not saying that all social conservatives feel this way, only that some do

In your estimation, what percentage of social conservatives are working to make killing homosexuals legal?

And where does the fellow you linked to, Peter LaBarbera, call for making the killing of homosexuals legal?

Since your reference was to the RIght Wing Watch, and you were contrasting liberals with social conservatives in the US, I assume you're talking about right wing Christians in the US, and not muslims in the US or abroad. My first question was based on that demographic.

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 30 June 2012 12:36:45PM *  0 points [-]

In your estimation, what percentage of social conservatives are working to make killing homosexuals legal?

Literally killing? A negligible percentage if indeed any, though there are probably a bunch more who would want it to be legal (but know that there's no chance of that law passing).

Comment author: TheOtherDave 30 June 2012 04:56:32PM 2 points [-]

It's perhaps also worth noting that this whole discussion presupposes a certain set of countries. Not only are there countries in the world where killing homosexuals is legal, there are countries where it's mandatory.

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 30 June 2012 09:01:39PM 1 point [-]

Yes, that is an excellent point.

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