TimS comments on Thoughts on moral intuitions - LessWrong

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Comment author: wedrifid 02 July 2012 10:47:06AM 1 point [-]

With pretty much 100% rate of statement being wrong when anybody says anything about "hunter gatherers" due to these reasons.

Assuming your premises, how the heck would you know?

Comment author: TimS 02 July 2012 02:16:55PM 3 points [-]

I think that that paragraph before the one you quoted counts as "presenting evidence."

That just leaves hyperbole - which I'm sure you've never used yourself.

Comment author: wedrifid 02 July 2012 02:30:05PM 0 points [-]

That just leaves hyperbole - which I'm sure you've never used yourself.

I try to avoid self defeating ironic hyperbole.

Comment author: TimS 02 July 2012 02:38:14PM 1 point [-]

I don't approve of taw's tone - as you note, it is more off-putting than persuasive. But "ancestral environment" is an applause light in this community. I don't see what your comment adds beyond reinforcing the applause light.

Comment author: wedrifid 02 July 2012 03:04:14PM 0 points [-]

"Ancestral Environment"? I thought he was talking about the phrase "Hunter Gatherer". The former phrase isn't even in the comment!

Comment author: RichardKennaway 03 July 2012 03:15:53PM 3 points [-]

The meaning is, however, found in the original context. stcredzero:

When we lived as hunter gatherers

That's a reference to ancestral environment.

One should note, though, that studies of murder rates amongst hunter gatherer groups

That's a reference to present-day hunter-gatherers, with the implication that what we see among modern groups so described is what happened among humans generally in the Paleolithic, when hunting and gathering were the only ways that people had yet invented for getting their food. This is the fallacy that taw is talking about when he says:

We have precisely zero samples of any real Paleolithic societies unaffected by extensive contact with Neolithic cultures.

To which stcredzero replied by quoting:

Bushman society is...

And so on.