private_messaging comments on Thoughts on moral intuitions - LessWrong

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Comment author: Swimmer963 03 July 2012 02:20:57PM 0 points [-]

Consider the sunk cost issue. Suppose that you spent years working on a project that is heading nowhere, the effort was wasted, and there's a logical way to see that it is wasted effort. Any time your thought wavers in the direction of understanding that the effort was wasted, you get stab of negative emotions - particular hormones are released into bloodstream, particular pathways activate - and that is negative reinforcement for everything you've been doing including the use of mental framework that did lead you to that thought.

Solution: have a community where you can gain respect and status by having successfully noticed and avoided sunk cost reasoning. LW isn`t the best possible example of such a community, but a lot of the exercises done at, say, the summer minicamps in San Francisco were subsets of "get positive reinforcement for noticing Irrational Thought Pattern X in yourself, when normally various kinds of cognitive dissonance would make it tempting to sort of vaguely not notice it."

Comment author: private_messaging 03 July 2012 05:07:01PM *  -2 points [-]

LW is a terrible example, an attachment to bunch of people (SI) who keep sinking their effort and other people's money, and rationalizing it. Regarding noticing irrational pattern, so you notice it, get rid of it, then what? You aren't gaining some incredible powers of finding correct answer (you'll just come up with something else that's wrong). It's something you always find in cults - thought reform, unlearn what you learnt style. You don't find people sitting at the desks doing math exercises all day being ranked for being correct, being taught how to be correct, that would be school/university course, it is boring, it's no silver bullet, it takes time.

Comment author: wedrifid 03 July 2012 05:14:17PM -1 points [-]

LW is a terrible example, an attachment to bunch of people (SI) who keep sinking their effort and other people's money, and rationalizing it. Regarding noticing irrational pattern, so you notice it, get rid of it, then what? You aren't gaining some incredible powers of finding correct answer.

Why are you here then? Please leave.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 04 July 2012 05:24:22AM 1 point [-]

Why are you here then? Please leave.

Are you intentionally trying to promote evaporative cooling?

Comment author: wedrifid 04 July 2012 07:19:00AM *  0 points [-]

Are you intentionally trying to promote evaporative cooling?

Evaporative cooling regarding that attitude and this behavioral pattern? ABSOULTELY!

Comment author: private_messaging 03 July 2012 05:17:29PM -1 points [-]

Boredom. You guys are highly unusual, have to give you that.

Comment author: shokwave 03 July 2012 05:32:46PM 1 point [-]

Might I suggest using fungibility? There are more effective ways than LW to treat boredom and desire for unusual conversation, if you pursue them separately.