Eliezer_Yudkowsky comments on Philosophy Needs to Trust Your Rationality Even Though It Shouldn't - LessWrong

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Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 01 December 2012 09:06:00PM 1 point [-]

a -> b -> c -> d, with a <- u1 -> c, and a <- u2 -> d, where we do not observe u1,u2, and u1,u2 are very complicated, then we can figure out the true graph exactly by independence type techniques without having to observe u1 and u2. Note: the marginal distribution p(a,b,c,d) that came from this graph has no conditional independences at all (checkable by d-separation on a,b,c,d), so typical techniques fail.

Irrelevant question: Isn't (b || d) | a, c?

Comment author: IlyaShpitser 01 December 2012 10:42:26PM 9 points [-]

No, because b -> c <-> a <-> d is an open path if you condition on c and a.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 02 December 2012 01:07:13AM 2 points [-]

Ah, right.