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Comment author: Peterdjones 10 December 2012 05:01:42PM 1 point [-]

If a problem happens not to exist, then I suppose one will just have to nerve onesself and not see it.

OK. Then demonstrate that the HP does not exist, in terms of Chalmer's specification, by showing that we do have a good explanation.

Comment author: Manfred 10 December 2012 08:04:11PM *  0 points [-]

Well, said Achilles, everybody knows that if you have A and B and "A and B imply Z," then you have Z.

How an Algorithm Feels From Inside.
The Visual Cortex is Used to Imagine
Stimulating the Visual Cortex Makes the Blind See

This sort of thing is sufficient for me, like Achilles' explanations were enough for Achilles. But if, say, the perception of the hard problem was causally unrelated to the actual existence of a hard problem (for epiphenominalism, this is literally what is going on), then gosh, it would seem like no matter what explanations you heard, the hard problem wouldn't go away - so it must be either a proof of dualism or a mistake.

Comment author: Peterdjones 10 December 2012 08:59:02PM *  1 point [-]

This sort of thing is sufficient for me

But not for me. Indeed. I am pretty sure none of those articles is even intended as a solution to the HP. And if they are, why not publish them is a journal and become famous?

How an Algorithm Feels From Inside.

Intended as a solution to FW.

Stimulating the Visual Cortex Makes the Blind See

So? Every living qualiaphile accepts some sort of relationship between brain states and qualia.

if, say, the perception of the hard problem was causally unrelated to the actual existence of a hard problem (for epiphenominalism, this is literally what is going on),

So? I said nothing about epiphenomenalism

Comment author: Manfred 10 December 2012 09:49:40PM *  0 points [-]

So? I said nothing about epiphenomenalism

The non-parenthetical was a throwback to a whole few posts ago, where I claimed that perception of the hard problem was often from the mind projection fallacy.

Other than that, I don't have much to respond to here, since you're just going "So?"

Comment author: Peterdjones 10 December 2012 10:01:00PM *  0 points [-]

The non-parenthetical was a throwback to a whole few posts ago, where I claimed that perception of the hard problem was often from the mind projection fallacy.

I can't find the posting, and I don't see how the MPF would relate to e12ism anyway.

The non-parenthetical was a throwback to a whole few posts ago, where I claimed that perception of the hard problem was often from the mind projection fallacy.

How did you expect to convive me? I am familar with all the stuff you are quoting, and I still think there is an HP. So do many people.

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