TheOtherDave comments on Don't Get Offended - LessWrong

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Comment author: TheOtherDave 21 March 2013 04:54:36AM *  0 points [-]

as for Jews is their complaint that Jews are stupid or that they're secretly running the world?

It wasn't that Jews are stupid. Mostly it seemed to be that Jews are evil, which I suppose one could argue isn't a question of superiority at all, though it sure felt like one. I actually haven't run into the secret-world-domination thing in person very often at all, though I'm of course acquainted with the trope.

And sure, I'm perfectly willing to believe that the south during Jim Crow was less geographically segregated than the north, and thus provided more opportunities for inter-group observation.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 22 March 2013 04:45:58AM 3 points [-]

It wasn't that Jews are stupid. Mostly it seemed to be that Jews are evil, which I suppose one could argue isn't a question of superiority at all, though it sure felt like one.

That's my point. They're complaints about different out-groups are limited by what their system I's would find plausible.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 22 March 2013 02:48:54PM 2 points [-]

Just to make sure I understand your claim: as I understand it, you would predict that if we raised the people I'm referring to in an environment where "Jews are stupid" was (perhaps artificially) a prevailing social belief, they would tend to reject that belief as they came to observe Jews, because their system Is would find that belief implausible, because Jews are not in fact stupid (relative to people-like-them, as a class). But if we raised them in an environment where "blacks are stupid" was a prevailing social belief, they would not tend to reject that belief as they came to observe blacks, because their system Is would find that belief plausible, because blacks are in fact stupid (relative to people-like-them, as a class).

Yes?

Would you also expect that if we raised them in an environment where "Jews are evil" was a prevailing social belief, they would not reject that belief as they came to observe Jews, because their system Is would find that belief plausible, because Jews are in fact evil (relative to people-like-them, as a class)? Or does the principle not generalize like that?

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 23 March 2013 09:51:27PM 4 points [-]

This is basically correct.

As for Jews, I'm not sure they know many Jews, but they've probably noticed that a lot of Jews are in high positions in Academia, Finance and Politics. This is inconsistent with them being stupid but not with them being evil.

Comment author: [deleted] 23 March 2013 11:35:10PM 1 point [-]

they've probably noticed that a lot of Jews are in high positions in Academia, Finance and Politics. This is inconsistent with them being stupid

For all that such people know, Jews might be conspiring to help each other into high positions even though they aren't unusually smart compared to gentiles.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 25 March 2013 12:06:24AM 4 points [-]

What you describe is more or less the standard negative stereotype of Jews (basically being Slytherines), and in any case what you describe is closer to the common notion of 'evil' than 'stupid'.