Cyan comments on Don't Get Offended - LessWrong

32 Post author: katydee 07 March 2013 02:11AM

You are viewing a comment permalink. View the original post to see all comments and the full post content.

Comments (588)

You are viewing a single comment's thread. Show more comments above.

Comment author: Cyan 25 March 2013 05:07:14AM *  2 points [-]

Another typical feminist claim is "differences between the behavior of boys and girls are due to socialization".

Citation needed. A more typical claim might be "socialization is the cause of the vast majority (but not the entirety) of the observed difference between boys' and girls' behaviors and skills," and this easily falsifiable claim is borne out by the available data, never mind evo psych just-so stories about what worked in the EEA.

Comment author: Kawoomba 25 March 2013 08:56:15AM 2 points [-]

A lot of nitpicky LW discussion could be avoided if we implicitly qualified absolute-sounding claims about relations in real life with "in most cases". It would be rare that someone would object to e.g. a claim such as "differences between the behavior of boys and girls are due to socialization" being amended by "in the vast majority of case", or by "... but there are exceptions."

We can default to claims as absolute when they refer to theoretical frameworks, for which absolute claims typically work out more, and are intended more often.

Comment author: Cyan 25 March 2013 04:59:01PM *  0 points [-]

I've danced this dance before, with Robin Hanson no less.

Comment author: Kawoomba 25 March 2013 06:05:22PM 2 points [-]

Let me side with your youthful incarnation from five years ago:

You and I know that claims about human behavior are almost never meant to hold absolutely, but this is not true for everyone who will eventually encounter such a claim.

Beyond just clarifying, you did seem to have taken the initial comment at face value, even though you probably suspected the intended meaning.

I agree with you regarding making the intended meaning as plain as possible as best practice; however, sidetracking the discussion in such a way often leads to "gotcha" continuations of minor details (minor because most people will side with you interpreting claims about human behavior as non-absolute by default, and follow the discussion correctly without such clarifications/rebuttals), which tend to replace other, more substantive discussions.

Comment author: Cyan 25 March 2013 06:41:28PM -1 points [-]

Sure. But it gets a little more sticky when one is attributing a false absolute claim to some other party, as Eugine did.

Comment author: wedrifid 25 March 2013 07:33:02AM *  1 point [-]

Citation needed.

Or, you know, a google search. From memory even a google site search would be adequate.

(Which is not to say that such claim is inherent to feminism itself. Merely that the specific observation by Eugine that it is often made by feminists is not worthy of 'citation needed' stigma.)

Comment author: Cyan 25 March 2013 05:12:48PM 0 points [-]

Since the claim that is actually often made by feminists is both weaker and, according to current research, true, Eugine's "observation" is a strawman. And I snort at the notion that my reply imparts a "stigma".