ialdabaoth comments on A Gamification Of Education: a modest proposal based on the Universal Decimal Classification and RPG skill trees - LessWrong

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Comment author: ialdabaoth 08 July 2013 06:47:45PM *  2 points [-]

Is this correct? Have you communicated the correct ideas to me?

From my experience, yes.

And, In what ways have business credentialing systems handled this kind of demand historically, and are similar methods applicable here?

In my experience (which is by no means exhaustive), the "recommended" solution has been to ensure that the data entry and transmission processes are performed by humans, rather than fully automated, and that no automated data integrity checks are performed.

Also in my experience, this 'solution' does far more harm to the system than the nepotism itself. :(

Comment author: DiscyD3rp 08 July 2013 09:29:07PM 0 points [-]

Ok. So the problem is that designing systems with accessible back-doors for nepotism is a larger hit to the effectiveness of the industry than if there were simply blatant nepotism itself, and systems weren't compromised by third parties.

Is this correct? In your (admittedly non-exauhstive) experience, in what specific ways is the industry harmed?

Comment author: ialdabaoth 09 July 2013 12:38:12AM *  3 points [-]

Ok. So the problem is that designing systems with accessible back-doors for nepotism is a larger hit to the effectiveness of the industry than if there were simply blatant nepotism itself, and systems weren't compromised by third parties.

Is this correct?

Yes; that's my current thesis, anyway.

In your (admittedly non-exauhstive) experience, in what specific ways is the industry harmed?

Because nepotism is being hidden behind a cloud of general inefficiency and unaccountability, systems are designed to be inefficient and unaccountable. This means that plenty of other failure modes ride in on the same train - HR interviewing processes become a nightmare, reporting and recording instances of harassment, fraud, etc. become fraught with roadblocks and potential backlash, and internal and outreach hires based on specific recommendations / vouchsafes become a needlessly complicated process.