magfrump comments on Why Eat Less Meat? - LessWrong

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Comment author: peter_hurford 23 July 2013 10:28:20PM 14 points [-]

This essay's thesis is that we should eat less meat, but its evidence is only that factory-farmed meat is a problem.

I only think factory-farmed meat is the problem. I use "eat less meat" as a shorthand, since nearly all meat is factory-farmed meat.

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The coop where I buy my meat says (pdf) that it buys only "humanely and sustainably raised" meat and poultry

I definitely agree it's better to buy "humanely raised" meat and poultry than not "humanely raised" meat/poultry. And perhaps you have found a trustworthy source.

But be careful of why I put "humanely raised" in quotes -- many such operations are not actually humane. Cage-free is much better than not cage-free, but conditions are still pretty bad. Free-range is better than not free-range, but just legally requires the animal be allowed to stay outside. There are no legal restrictions on the quality of the outside section, how long they can stay outside, or crowding. Vegan Outreach has more information.

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I might stop eating most of the factory-farmed meat that I eat. It would simply mean never eating out at non-frou-frou places. The exception would be dealing with non-local family (for local family, I could simply bring meat from the coop to share).

That sounds like an excellent idea!

Comment author: magfrump 26 July 2013 09:02:04PM 1 point [-]

How much value would this conversion have relative to vegetarianism?

For example, I recently changed to only buying grass-fed beef (in part for health/taste reasons); how much humane value would you think that has relative to replacing my beef with whatever else?

What about replacing eggs with cage free or free range eggs versus a vegan replacement?

Comment author: peter_hurford 26 July 2013 09:12:55PM -1 points [-]

The value seems obviously positive, but it's going to be very unclear as to what the exact value is. On a pure suffering per kg of meat basis, whatever you're doing with chicken welfare is going to dominate. I expect cage free / free range to be moderately better than still eating regular eggs, but not eating eggs to be perhaps like 3x better, relatively.