Nornagest comments on Arguments Against Speciesism - LessWrong

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Comment author: wedrifid 31 July 2013 03:15:15AM 6 points [-]

Also, 12 year olds are less mature than 18 year olds. It may be that the level of immaturity in voters you'll" get from adding people ages 12-17 is just too large to be acceptable.

"Maturity" isn't obviously a desirable thing. What people tend to describe as 'maturity' seems to be a developed ability to signal conformity and if anything is negative causal influence on the application of reasoned judgement. People learn that it is 'mature' to not ask (or even think to ask) questions about why the cherished beliefs are obviously self-contradicting nonsense, for example.

I do not expect a country that allows 12-17 year olds to vote to have worse outcomes than a country that does not. Particularly given that it would almost certainly result in more voting-relevant education being given to children and so slightly less ignorance even among adults.

Comment author: Nornagest 31 July 2013 03:54:42AM *  3 points [-]

I might be a little more generous than that. The term casts a pretty broad net, but it also includes some factors I'd consider instrumentally advantageous, like self-control and emotional resilience.

I'm not sure how relevant those are in this context, though.

Comment author: wedrifid 31 July 2013 06:15:11AM 3 points [-]

The term casts a pretty broad net, but it also includes some factors I'd consider instrumentally advantageous, like self-control and emotional resilience.

I certainly recommend maturity. I also note that the aforementioned signalling skill is also significantly instrumentally advantageous. I just don't expect the immaturity of younger voters to result in significantly worse voting outcomes.