Jiro comments on Arguments Against Speciesism - LessWrong

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Comment author: Jiro 02 August 2013 09:03:24PM 3 points [-]

Is there some reason that most people become magically competent at 18?

If you're asking what the difference is between 18 - 1 day and 18, then that's already been answered: whenever we need to make a distinction based on a trait that gradually changes, we're going to have to set up some arbitrary boundary where the examples on one side are not very different from the examples on the other. The fact that the two sides are not very different is not a reason not to set the boundary.

Perhaps things would be even better if voting were restricted further to some competent class of people?

In most cases, we have no way to determine who is in such a class of people, that is not susceptible to gaming the system, abuse, and/or incompetent and reckless testing. It's pretty hard to screw up figuring what someone's age is.

Comment author: MugaSofer 04 August 2013 03:40:47PM 1 point [-]

In most cases, we have no way to determine who is in such a class of people

So why do we treat age as if it functions as one? Genuinely asking.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 06 August 2013 01:36:02AM 0 points [-]

Because it's a proxy that deals with the problems I mentioned here much better than attempting to measure competence directly.

Comment author: MugaSofer 06 August 2013 01:27:47PM 1 point [-]

So, to be clear, you're not saying that there's no test of competency, but that age is the best test of competency we have?

I guess we're starting to run into the limits of theorizing in the absence of experimentation

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 07 August 2013 12:36:55AM 0 points [-]

So you agree that in the absence of other tests having an age-based cutoff at 18 is better than having no cutoff or a lower cutoff?

So, to be clear, you're not saying that there's no test of competency, but that age is the best test of competency we have?

If you have a proposal that deals with the problems I've mentioned here and here, I'm willing to consider it.

Comment author: MugaSofer 18 August 2013 08:29:32PM -2 points [-]

So you agree that in the absence of other tests having an age-based cutoff at 18 is better than having no cutoff or a lower cutoff?

Not really, but in the absence of spare countries to run controlled trials on...