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Comment author: Lumifer 25 November 2013 03:11:25AM 2 points [-]

It shouldn't be particularly difficult to establish a path from Marx to "contemporary welfare state left-liberalism". It would focus on hostility to capital and the need to help the oppressed.

Marx, of course, would barf at contemporary welfare state, but he's dead so we can conveniently ignore all that :-/

Comment author: satt 25 November 2013 03:26:00AM 1 point [-]

Sure. But the path from Marx to contemporary welfare state left-liberalism is sufficiently long (and with enough branches!) that using one as a representative of the other is dubious at best. As you say, Marx himself would probably take a dim view of CWSLL, if he were around to witness it.

Comment author: Lumifer 25 November 2013 03:33:31AM *  2 points [-]

Yeah, I agree. People calling contemporary progressives "Marxists" are usually just looking for a derogatory adjective.

However there are certain similarities and the connection between Marx and CWSLL can be made -- it will be twisting and turning, and will require a fair amount of bending and averting eyes -- but it will probably pass the laugh test. I don't think that this connection is important or that pointing it out is useful, still, it's not quite the young-earth theory.