Lumifer comments on Dark Arts of Rationality - LessWrong

136 Post author: So8res 19 January 2014 02:47AM

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Comment author: So8res 17 January 2014 01:46:43AM 1 point [-]

To address your postscript: "Dark Arts" was not supposed to mean "bad" or "irrational", it was supposed to mean "counter-intuitive, surface-level irrational, perhaps costly, but worth the price".

Strategically manipulating terminal goals and intentionally cultivating false beliefs (with cognitive dissonance as the price) seem to fall pretty squarely in this category. I'm honestly not sure what else people were expecting. Perhaps you could give me an idea of things that squarely qualify as "dark arts" under your definition?

(At a guess, I suppose heavily leveraging taboo tradeoffs and consequentialism may seem "darker" to the layman.)

Comment author: Lumifer 17 January 2014 02:00:47AM 7 points [-]

"Dark Arts" was not supposed to mean "bad" or "irrational", it was supposed to mean "counter-intuitive, surface-level irrational, perhaps costly, but worth the price".

In my understanding "Dark Arts" mean, basically, using deceit. In the social context that implies manipulating others for your own purposes. I don't think "Dark Arts" is a useful term in the context of self-motivation.

Comment author: So8res 17 January 2014 02:22:54AM *  3 points [-]

Huh. Personally, I feel that the need for comments such as this one strongly indicate "Dark" subject matter. It's interesting to get a different perspective. Thanks!