jsteinhardt comments on The Power of Noise - LessWrong

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Comment author: Vaniver 17 June 2014 01:50:44AM *  1 point [-]

Instead, I'd like to present several examples of scenarios where I will argue that randomness clearly is useful and necessary, and use this to argue that, at least in these scenarios, one should abandon a fully Bayesian stance.

Sure. But, in order to check the communication channel, which of those examples do you think I (as one of the people in the previous post arguing for seeing the debate as one over word-interpretation) would disagree with either your content or your presentation? How about Eliezer?


I think I should once again push the point that the language and communication difficulties are the primary drivers of this discussion, not the mathematical difficulties: Eliezer's original post, to me*, is that there is a limited but large case of problems where randomness shouldn't help, and it's disappointing that academics in that field don't know this, and that the terminology they use lends itself to this confusion.

*I should point out I misinterpreted him in one summarization, at least, by shortening a 'kill phrase X and replace it with phrase Y" as "use phrase X as shorthand for phrase Y"

Comment author: jsteinhardt 17 June 2014 01:59:30AM 1 point [-]

is that there is a limited but large case of problems where randomness shouldn't help, and it's disappointing that academics in that field don't know this, and that the terminology they use lends itself to this confusion.

Which field are we talking about? What people? The weighted majority algorithm (the topic of the post that started this all) is one of the cornerstones of statistical learning theory. I would guess that pretty much everyone who knows statistical learning theory well already knows that pure strategies are optimal given complete (probabilistic) knowledge of the environment.

Comment author: Lumifer 17 June 2014 02:08:09AM 2 points [-]

pure strategies are optimal given complete (probabilistic) knowledge of the environment.

Assuming the existence of closed-form solutions which is not a given.

If your environment is sufficiently complex, you may not be able discover the optimal pure strategy in reasonable time.

Comment author: jsteinhardt 17 June 2014 02:11:59AM 2 points [-]

I mean yes, I did just write a quarter of my post on this topic :).