E_Ransom comments on Confused as to usefulness of 'consciousness' as a concept - LessWrong

35 Post author: KnaveOfAllTrades 13 July 2014 11:01AM

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Comment author: [deleted] 11 July 2014 04:49:44PM 4 points [-]

Consciousness is useful as a concept insofar as it relates to reality. "Consciousness" is a label used to shorthand a complex (and not completely understood) set of phenomena. As a concept, it loses its usefulness as other, more nuanced, better understood concepts replace it (like replacing Newston's gravity with Einstein's relativity) or as the phenomena it describes are shown to be likely false (like the label "phlogiston").

As I am not a student of nueroscience or epistemology, I can't really say in detail whether there is any usefulness in "consciousness" or not. If "consciousness" describes real phenomena, then its usefulness is determined by the understanding of those phenomena and its ability to accurately relate them. If it refers to likely mistaken concepts, then it will be replaced as corrected concepts are formed through study and experiment.In the same way as "that-which-we-call-'phlogiston'" was replaced by a better understanding of thermodynamics.

Comment author: KnaveOfAllTrades 15 July 2014 01:15:02PM 1 point [-]

Just want to chime in to defend the meaningfulness-usefulness distinction. I could start using the word 'conscious' to mean 'that which is KnaveOfAllTrades', and it would be meaningful and relate to reality well. But it would not necessarily be useful. Slurs also relate to reality reasonably well but are not necessarily useful.