DanArmak comments on Confused as to usefulness of 'consciousness' as a concept - LessWrong

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Comment author: DanArmak 11 July 2014 10:26:48PM 2 points [-]

The word "wanting", like "consciousness", seems to me not to quite cut reality at its joints. Goal-directed behavior (or its absence) is a much clearer concept, but even then humans rarely have clear goals. As you point out, akrasia and irrationality are common.

So I would rather not use "wanting" if I can avoid it, unless the meaning is clear. For example, saying "I want ice cream now" is a statement about my thoughts and desires right now, and it gives some information about my likely actions; it leaves little room for misunderstanding.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 11 July 2014 10:50:07PM *  2 points [-]

Goal-directed behavior (or its absence) is a much clearer concept, but even then humans rarely have clear goals. As you point out, akrasia and irrationality are common.

This looks like a precision vs. accuracy/relevance tradeoff. For example, some goals that are not explicitly formulated may influence behavior in a limited way that affects actions only in some contexts, perhaps only hypothetical ones (such as those posited to elicit idealized values). Such goals are normatively important (contribute to idealized values), even though formulating what they could be or observing them is difficult.