TheAncientGeek comments on Confused as to usefulness of 'consciousness' as a concept - LessWrong

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Comment author: [deleted] 13 July 2014 10:53:36PM 1 point [-]

GR doesn't explain why space time exists though. Quantum theory does, although there we have other problems such as explaining where the Born probabilities come from. At some point you simply stop and say "because that's how the universe works." Positing consciousness as the subjective experience of strongly causally interfering systems (my own theory, which I know doesn't exactly match Tengmark's but is closely related) doesn't tell you why information processing things like us have subjective experience at all. Maybe a future theory will. But even then there will be the question of why that model works the way it does.

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 14 July 2014 06:59:35PM 1 point [-]

Your theory may not match Tegmarks, but isn't too far from Calmer's ....implicitly dualistic theory.

I am well aware that you are probably not going to be able to explain everything with no arbitrary axioms but.....fallacy of gray.....where you stop is important. If an apparently high level property is stated as ontologocally fundamental, ie irreducible, that is the essence of dualism

Comment author: [deleted] 14 July 2014 10:31:00PM 1 point [-]

I think it's a mistake to consider consciousness a high-level property. Two electrons interacting are conscious, albeit briefly and in a very limited way.

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 15 July 2014 05:47:56PM *  1 point [-]

Two electrons interacting are conscious, albeit briefly and in a very limited way.

Is that a fact?

If consciousness is a lower level property...is it casually active?

And if it is a lower level property...why can't I introspect a highly detailed brain scan?

Comment author: EHeller 14 July 2014 10:37:10PM 1 point [-]

I think it's a mistake to consider consciousness a high-level property. Two electrons interacting are conscious, albeit briefly and in a very limited way.

This weakens the concept of consciousness so much as to make it no longer meaningful.

Comment author: [deleted] 15 July 2014 12:03:42AM 1 point [-]

I don't think so. It requires you to be much more precise about what it is that you care about when you are asking "is system X conscious?"