KnaveOfAllTrades comments on Confused as to usefulness of 'consciousness' as a concept - LessWrong

35 Post author: KnaveOfAllTrades 13 July 2014 11:01AM

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Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 13 July 2014 01:33:34PM 6 points [-]

The only context in which the notion of consciousness seems inextricable from the statement is in ethical statements like, "We shouldn't eat chickens because they're conscious." In such statements, it feels like a particular sense of 'conscious' is being used, one which is defined (or at least characterised) as 'the thing that gives moral worth to creatures, such that we shouldn't eat them'.

Many people think that consciousness in the sense of having the capability to experience suffering or pleasure makes an entity morally relevant, because happiness/pleasure is held to be a good thing and suffering a bad one, as terminal values. (That of course doesn't mean that you couldn't eat chickens, for as long as you killed them painlessly. )

I don't mind shooting my opponents in a computer game because I know that they won't actually experience the suffering from being hit by a bullet, but I sure would mind if I knew that they did experience such pain.

Comment author: KnaveOfAllTrades 15 July 2014 12:52:29PM 2 points [-]

Yes. I think such ethical discussions would benefit from not using the term 'consciousness' and instead talking about more specific, clearer (even if still not entirely clear) concepts like 'suffering' and 'pleasure'. I think such discussions often fail to make much progress because one or more sides to the discussion cycles through using 'consciousness' in the sense of Magical Token of Moral Worth, then in the sense of self-awareness, then in the sense of 'able to feel pain', and so forth.