Strange7 comments on Confused as to usefulness of 'consciousness' as a concept - LessWrong

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Comment author: Strange7 29 July 2014 12:02:50AM 3 points [-]

If I know how many grains of sand there are, their relative positions, and have a statistical profile of their individual sizes and shapes, I no longer need to know whether it counts as a "heap" or not. If I know an object's thermal mass, conductivity, and how many degrees it is above absolute zero, I don't need to know whether it's "warm" or "cold."

The term "consciousness" is a pointer to something important, but lacks precision. My understanding was that we were trying to come up with a more precise, quantifiable pointer to the same underlying important thing.

Comment author: MaoShan 29 July 2014 09:04:13PM 1 point [-]

What is it that makes consciousness, or the thing that it points to (if such a thing is not ephemeral), important? You already said that knowing the exact quantities negates the need for categorization.

Comment author: Strange7 30 July 2014 11:34:20PM 1 point [-]

What is it that makes consciousness, or the thing that it points to (if such a thing is not ephemeral), important?

I am not in a position to speculate as to why consciousness, or the underlying referent thereto, is so widely considered important; I simply observe that it is. Similarly, I wouldn't feel qualified to say why a human life has value, but for policy purposes, somebody out there needs to figure out how many million dollars of value a statistical human life is equivalent to. Might as well poke at the math of that, maybe make it a little more rigorous and generalized.

Comment author: [deleted] 29 July 2014 07:28:00AM 1 point [-]

If I know how many grains of sand there are, their relative positions, and have a statistical profile of their individual sizes and shapes, I no longer need to know whether it counts as a "heap" or not.

Unless you're trying to decide whether its article on Wikipedia belongs in Category:Heaps ;-)