kilobug comments on Too good to be true - LessWrong

24 Post author: PhilGoetz 11 July 2014 08:16PM

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Comment author: kilobug 12 July 2014 02:17:33PM 5 points [-]

I don't think the "95% confidence" works that way. It's a lower bound, you never try to publish anything with a lower than 95% confidence (and if you do, your publication is likely to be rejected), but you don't always need to have exactly 95% (2 sigma).

Hell, I play enough RPGs to know that rolling 1 or 20 in a d20 is frequent enough ;) 95% is quite low confidence, it's really a minimum at which you can start working, but not something optimal.

I'm not sure exactly in medicine, but in physics it's frequent to have studies at 3 sigma (99.7%) or higher. The detection of the Higgs boson by the LHC for example was done within 5 sigma (one chance in a million of being wrong).

Especially in a field with high risk of data being abused by ill-intentioned people such as "vaccine and autism" link, it would really surprise me that everyone just kept happily the 95% confidence, and didn't aim for much higher confidence.

Comment author: nshepperd 12 July 2014 02:26:47PM 12 points [-]

5 sigma (one chance in a million of being wrong)

Careful! That's a one chance in a million of a fluke occuring (given the null hypothesis). Probability of being wrong is P(~H1 | 5 sigma) rather than P(5 sigma | H0), and on the whole unmeasurable. :)

Comment author: PhilGoetz 12 July 2014 02:45:45PM 9 points [-]

Especially in a field with high risk of data being abused by ill-intentioned people such as "vaccine and autism" link, it would really surprise me that everyone just kept happily the 95% confidence, and didn't aim for much higher confidence.

Okay. Be surprised. It appears that I've read hundreds of medical journal articles and you haven't.

Medicine isn't like physics. The data is incredibly messy. High sigma results are often unattainable even for things you know are true.