owencb comments on The Value Learning Problem - LessWrong

16 Post author: So8res 29 January 2015 06:23PM

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Comment author: owencb 31 January 2015 03:53:56PM 5 points [-]

I'll give examples, though this is more representative than a claim that you should change these details.

On page 2, you say "In linear programming, the maximum of an objective function tends to occur on a vertex of the space." Here "tends to" seems unnecessary hedging -- I think this is just a theorem! Perhaps there's an interpretation where it fails, but you hedge far less on other much more controversial things.

On the other hand the very next sentence: "Similarly, the optimal solution to a goal tends to occur on an edge (hyperface) of the possibility space." appears to have a similar amount of hedging for what is a much weaker sense of "tends", and what's a much weaker conclusion (being in a hyperface is much weaker than being at a vertex).

Another example: the top paragraph of the right column of page 3 uses "must" but seems to presuppose an internal representation with utility functions.

Comment author: So8res 31 January 2015 06:07:45PM 2 points [-]

Thanks. I've re-worded these particular places, and addressed a few other things that pattern-matched on a quick skim. I don't have time to go back over this paper with a fine comb, but if you find other examples, I'm happy to tweak the wording :-)

Comment author: owencb 01 February 2015 02:20:19PM 1 point [-]

Thanks for the quick update! Perhaps this will be most useful when writing new things, as I agree that it may not be worth your time to rewrite carefully (and should have said that).

Comment author: Vaniver 31 January 2015 05:21:31PM 2 points [-]

On page 2, you say "In linear programming, the maximum of an objective function tends to occur on a vertex of the space." Here "tends to" seems unnecessary hedging -- I think this is just a theorem!

It is. If there exists an optimal solution, at least one vertex will be optimal, and as RyanCarey points out, if a hyperface is optimal it will have at least one vertex.

A stronger statement is that the Simplex algorithm will always return an optimal vertex (interior point algorithms will return the center of the hyperface, which is only a vertex if that's the only optimal point).

Comment author: RyanCarey 31 January 2015 04:22:24PM *  2 points [-]

"In linear programming, the maximum of an objective function tends to occur on a vertex of the space." Here "tends to" seems unnecessary hedging -- I think this is just a theorem!

... Even if the optimum occurs along an edge, it'll at least include vertices.