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Comment author: [deleted] 04 May 2015 08:15:14PM 5 points [-]

Excuse me, I have to don a flame-proof suit now.

Just a question: what useful results for predicting and modelling a preexisting reality has Douglas Hofstadter produced? I mean, yes, GEB is... well, it's GEB. I find it quite dated and think that it skates by on having fun with patterns rather than explaining observed phenomena. I'm also a little aggravated that GEB includes no discussions of model theory, ordinal logic, and w-incompleteness, nor of algorithmic randomness and halting problems, nor of the Curry-Howard Isomorphism and how it matches computational systems to logical systems. It goes on and on about recursion and formal systems for a very long time without actually addressing the formal sciences that handle the various phenomena arising from talking recursively in logic!

Whereas something more recent like Universal Artificial Intelligence by Hutter succeeds on mathematical rigor and Probabilistic Models of Cognition on beauty of compression and presentation.

Comment author: Lumifer 04 May 2015 08:33:19PM 3 points [-]

GEB is... well, it's GEB. I find it quite dated and think that it skates by on having fun with patterns rather than explaining observed phenomena.

It's not a modeling handbook. It just fucks with your mind. Most people's minds are much too unfucked-with.

Comment author: VoiceOfRa 10 May 2015 06:15:49AM *  0 points [-]

Perhaps, but that doesn't mean randomly fucking with them will improve them.

Comment author: gjm 10 May 2015 09:40:32AM 4 points [-]

That's OK: GEB fucks with minds nonrandomly.

Comment author: [deleted] 05 May 2015 01:19:29AM 0 points [-]

So am I fucked-up enough yet if I find it kinda boring and wish it would skip to the part where we model real phenomena, especially since, if I just want to make stuff up, I can make up rather crazier things than this?

Comment author: Lumifer 05 May 2015 05:47:26PM *  -1 points [-]

So am I fucked-up enough yet

Mirror, mirror on the wall...

X-D