Avoiding doomsday: a "proof" of the self-indication assumption

18 Stuart_Armstrong 23 September 2009 02:54PM

EDIT: This post has been superceeded by this one.

The doomsday argument, in its simplest form, claims that since 2/3 of all humans will be in the final 2/3 of all humans, we should conclude it is more likely we are in the final two thirds of all humans who’ve ever lived, than in the first third. In our current state of quasi-exponential population growth, this would mean that we are likely very close to the final end of humanity. The argument gets somewhat more sophisticated than that, but that's it in a nutshell.

There are many immediate rebuttals that spring to mind - there is something about the doomsday argument that brings out the certainty in most people that it must be wrong. But nearly all those supposed rebuttals are erroneous (see Nick Bostrom's book Anthropic Bias: Observation Selection Effects in Science and Philosophy). Essentially the only consistent low-level rebuttal to the doomsday argument is to use the self indication assumption (SIA).

The non-intuitive form of SIA simply says that since you exist, it is more likely that your universe contains many observers, rather than few; the more intuitive formulation is that you should consider yourself as a random observer drawn from the space of possible observers (weighted according to the probability of that observer existing).

Even in that form, it may seem counter-intuitive; but I came up with a series of small steps leading from a generally accepted result straight to the SIA. This clinched the argument for me. The starting point is:

A - A hundred people are created in a hundred rooms. Room 1 has a red door (on the outside), the outsides of all other doors are blue. You wake up in a room, fully aware of these facts; what probability should you put on being inside a room with a blue door?

Here, the probability is certainly 99%. But now consider the situation:

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A final thought

-1 psycho 20 March 2009 06:37PM

I would like to thank all of those people who voted my last post down into the negative numbers allowing me to exploit a flaw in this sites design. I was really getting bored of trying to figure a way to get a karma score of 20. So I toast all those who helped me achieve it in record time.

Now on to the meat of the issue, I thought when I ran into this group that it would be what it claimed a site devoted to refining rationality, I could not have been more wrong. This site is not concerned with rationality or improving it but rather self adulation. You people are not concerned with being rational just imagining you are rational and then congratulating yourselves on your own self deception. I will be totally honest here this little group therapy session you guys have going on is intellectually repugnant. You all should be ashamed of yourselves that you have nothing better to do then congratulate yourselves on non-accomplishments.

If any of you were truly intelligent you would feel no need to engage in this behavior and your leader would not be a man who dropped out of grade school. So enjoy your idol of rationality and self-proclaimed genius if any of you decide that rationality is of interest I suggest you try learning some math a feat that is beyond the abilities of your leader. Lest of any of you doubt it he has never published a technical paper. All but one of his papers is self published (so as to avoid critique) and the only math that he demonstrates knowledge of is freshman statistics.

 

Cheers