Comment author: MC_Escherichia 19 January 2012 09:20:49PM 35 points [-]

As an aside; the use of "Org" (i.e. Rationality Org) seems really unusual and immediately makes me think of Scientology (Sea Org); am I unusual in having this reaction?

Comment author: Aleksei_Riikonen 20 January 2012 10:17:38AM 2 points [-]

No, not unusual. I had the same reaction, and assumed it's probably partly a deliberate joke to have such a placeholder name (or alternatively it's actually so that the Scientology connotation didn't occur to folks at SIAI).

I btw commented on this a couple of days ago in a comment to the SIAI blog, and note now that comments there seem to take a rather long time to be moderated for spam, as apparently no comments have appeared for many months. (Ok, sorry for the joke. More likely you've forgotten about the blog comments or something, than it really being about the spam moderation that commenters are told might take some time when they leave a comment.)

Comment author: Aleksei_Riikonen 19 January 2012 12:51:56PM 3 points [-]

So, I have a few questions:

  1. What are the most egregious examples of SI's arrogance?

Since you explicitly ask a question phrased thus, I feel obligated to mention that last April I witnessed a certain email incident that I thought was somewhat extremely bad in some ways.

I do believe that lessons have been learned since then, though. Probably there's no need to bring the matter up again, and I only mention it since according to my ethics it's the required thing to do when asked such an explicit question as above.

(Some readers may wonder why I'm not providing details here. That's because after some thought, I for my part decided against making the incident public, since I expect it might subsequently get misrepresented to look worse than what's fair. (There might be value in showing records of the incident to new SIAI employees as an example of how not to do things, though.))

Comment author: Aleksei_Riikonen 17 January 2012 04:28:11PM 8 points [-]

Hmm, I for one don't share the negative reactions that several other commenters seem to feel now. I felt very glad upon reading this "leveling up" post.

I was especially thinking that this is a very cool first LW article for people to bump into (and therefore shared this on some social networks). In this vein, I very much like the criticized-by-some feature that every other word is a link to a previous article. It's useful for those new people who might be inspired to check this stuff out in more detail.

Comment author: Raemon 20 December 2011 03:48:05PM 5 points [-]

I actually assumed I was riffing off the joke exactly the way you intended. Didn't mean to poke fun.

Comment author: Aleksei_Riikonen 20 December 2011 03:55:12PM 8 points [-]

Yeah, I just thought I'd improve on your riff a bit, and add the part that pokes fun at me :)

Comment author: Raemon 20 December 2011 03:37:29PM 8 points [-]

Long ago, far away, ever so long ago... Aleksei_Riikonen said that this was a pretty awesome idea.

Comment author: Aleksei_Riikonen 20 December 2011 03:43:40PM *  11 points [-]

Damn, my plan is backfiring. I will be remembered as an arrogant schmuck who was slightly funny in an unintended way.

Serves me right.

Comment author: Raemon 20 December 2011 02:48:37PM *  14 points [-]

One thing I am slightly concerned about is having this be someone's first introduction to Less Wrong. I did spend a while trying to write this in such a way that it wouldn't be too ridiculous sounding to a newcomer. I actually set a pretty high bar for myself - I wanted my mother to be able to read this.

But I don't think I succeeded at that quite yet. At first I tried to explain why the things we believe aren't so ridiculous, and then I realized there's a good reason Eliezer took 2 years and a quarter-million pages to do so. So I went ahead and left that section more directly targeted to the Less Wrong audience.

Which is to say, I think this is a good thing to link to, but it also might be a good idea to include some kind of disclaimer about it being for people already familiar with Less Wrong. I don't really know. Depends on who's on your social network.

Comment author: Aleksei_Riikonen 20 December 2011 03:30:57PM 6 points [-]

Yeah, I had similar thoughts actually. But I did end up thinking that this was good enough to link in a somewhat off-handed manner.

Though of course, mostly I just wanted to get myself on the public record, calling this a great success in the making at such a somewhat early stage, so that I look good when future generations look back a few thousand years from now :D

Comment author: Aleksei_Riikonen 20 December 2011 01:24:46PM 1 point [-]

Me too. Awesome. Thanks.

Comment author: Aleksei_Riikonen 20 December 2011 02:43:28PM 3 points [-]

Also, I felt the need to post a link to this post on some social networks and describe it thus:

"And so it begins. The NYC folks have taken a significant step in bringing the LW community to a whole new level of real-world Awesomeness and Win. Expect great things to grow out of such developments."

Comment author: Nisan 20 December 2011 05:08:41AM 5 points [-]

I am so glad you did this, and that you are sharing.

Comment author: Aleksei_Riikonen 20 December 2011 01:24:46PM 1 point [-]

Me too. Awesome. Thanks.

Comment author: pjeby 18 November 2011 11:01:26PM 11 points [-]

They just see meat to eat with their eyes, not a person.

Typical mind fallacy, perhaps?

I don't know about you, but if I happen to be watching someone stripping it's much more about the meeting of the eyes than the eyeing of the meat.

Even prostitutes are probably respected a lot more on average than strippers, since it's more common that people at least talk to prostitutes

Well, if you go by the HBO specials they did about both groups, it's actually the other way around. Though really, people formed long-term relationships with their service providers in both groups.

Comment author: Aleksei_Riikonen 18 November 2011 11:18:27PM 4 points [-]

Typical mind fallacy, perhaps?

Generalizing from one example, rather. Mostly I was going by what I've heard from an acquaintance that worked as a stripper.

Comment author: dlthomas 18 November 2011 02:37:46PM 2 points [-]

All three of these are low status in many audiencies/societies. I think that for each, however, there exists an audience that accords them high status.

Comment author: Aleksei_Riikonen 18 November 2011 10:36:39PM 3 points [-]

Who considers strippers to be high status?

(Certainly not the actual audience. They just see meat to eat with their eyes, not a person. Even prostitutes are probably respected a lot more on average than strippers, since it's more common that people at least talk to prostitutes, and become more aware that there's a person there.)

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