Comment author: bipolar 29 June 2011 06:26:00PM 1 point [-]

Taking governments too seriously in what sense? Adopting values implicit in in government rhetoric? Following laws? Give some examples if you'd like.

Also, are you considering the counterfactual here? Without religion there's atheism. What happens when people don't take governments too seriously? It's actually unclear to me that religion does more harm than good; I would guess that the harm done apparently done by religion is largely due to general human nature and that there are upsides of organic community so that on balance it's a wash.

Comment author: AlexM 30 June 2011 02:30:21PM 1 point [-]

It's actually unclear to me that religion does more harm than good

For quick and dirty empirical evidence, look at latest european poll Do countries on the top of table with least belief in God, spirit or life force behave more rationally?

Comment author: AlexM 10 June 2011 07:47:56PM 2 points [-]

Our current civilization runs lots of computer simulations, nearly all of them are for entertainment purpose. For one "ancestor simulation" trying to be accurate there are millions of WoW and other games with no attempt of realism whatsoever.

Therefore, we if we are in simulation, we are orcs and trolls waiting to be slaughtered by players for few measly XP :-P

Comment author: AlexM 01 June 2011 07:35:52AM 2 points [-]

Buying lottery ticket as a purchase of fantasy is irrational - fantasy is for free. You can dream about being a millionaire without spending money on tiny scrap of paper :P

Comment author: AlexM 21 January 2011 08:16:12PM 1 point [-]
Comment author: b1shop 28 August 2010 04:13:57PM *  1 point [-]

I'm concerned with margins, not extremes. I can find my country on the map. I have an idea of how close my country is to revolution. I can come up with impressive-sounding political theories to discuss with others that signal the personality traits I value.

But I think I'd benefit more by studying the details of physics than the details of politics.

Comment author: AlexM 29 August 2010 01:01:19AM -2 points [-]

Why? You cannot change the laws of physics and they have no impact of your daily life either.

Comment author: b1shop 12 August 2010 10:15:24PM 1 point [-]

I'm fairly certain there is no god, and there's no marginal benefit to learning more about the philosophy of religion.

No matter how much or little I think about politics, the chances of me being the marginal vote are negligible. There are better uses for my time than that mind-killer.

Comment author: AlexM 28 August 2010 10:50:44AM 0 points [-]

You can say the same about astronomy, biology, chemistry, history and just any part of human knowledge that does not interfere with your daily life.

Imagine someone who could not find his country on map, does not know who is president or PM, does not know how his government functions, does not vote because he does not understands what are elections.

Is such person worthy of admiration or respect? I do not think so.

Comment author: gwern 02 August 2010 04:31:39AM 4 points [-]

I doubt it. Signing up for a lottery for cryonics is still suspicious. There is only one payoff, and that is of the suspicious thing. No one objects to the end of lotteries because we all like money, what is objected to is the lottery as efficient means of obtaining money (or entertainment).

Suppose that the object were something you and I regard with equal revulsion as many regard cryonics. Child molestation, perhaps. Would you really regard someone buying a ticket as not being quite evil and condoning and supporting the eventual rape?

Comment author: AlexM 02 August 2010 10:23:00AM 5 points [-]

Who regards cryonics as evil like child molestation? General public sees cryonics as fraud - somethink like buying real estate on the moon or waiting for mothership, and someone paying for it as gullible fool.

For example, look at discussions when Britney Spears http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2520762/posts

wanted to be frozen. Lots of derision, no hatred.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 12 July 2010 02:38:43PM 3 points [-]

This might depend on how long it takes to develop revival. Any estimates?

If it's just a few decades, cryonics companies might want to signal trustworthiness by reviving everyone.

In The First Immortal, a science fiction novel about cryonics, there's a law that no one gets revived unless there's someone willing to do the work of integrating them into the future society.

In other words, you'd do well to be an interesting person, and better to be from a family with a very strong culture of loyalty, though I suppose that integration could also be a matter of contract with a cryonics company.

Comment author: AlexM 12 July 2010 06:00:53PM 0 points [-]

This might depend on how long it takes to develop revival. Any estimates?

It depends on the gap between us and the future society - if the wilder/more optimistic predictions of transhumanism and artificial intelligence come true - and they have to come true for cryonics to work, the gap between 2050 and now will be bigger that between us and Stone Age.

Would you invite your great...grandfather Ugg for dinner?

Comment author: lsparrish 12 July 2010 03:30:54PM *  4 points [-]

Conclusion - to me it seems that if you want to maximize chance of future society resurrecting you, keep cryonics as close guarded secret of tiny elite...

I hear this from cryo skeptics all the time. Doubts -- not so much as to whether it works or not, but as to whether the patients who could be revived are human or not. Your whole argument treats the patients as dead and gone, and the people who would die without cryonics as expendable. It is simply not consistent with cryonics working in the first place.

If cryonics works in the first place, it means everyone who could be preserved but isn't, is a human casualty -- and everyone who could be reanimated but isn't is stuck in a coma against their will. I don't care if you give that an arbitrarily low probability, but if you are going to argue about what is the case if it does work, you have to remain consistent with that assumption if you want to criticize it effectively.

Luckily, future humans will have experience with suspended animation and radical surgery long before they can realistically revive a cryonics patient. Getting someone suspended with near-zero damage is an unsolved challenge, but few seem doubtful that it will be solved at some point. Repairing the damage of a current-day cryonics case is necessarily further down the road.

Simply having experience with reanimating suspendees (and seeing major surgery such as full body replacement using regrown organs), I expect they will have a much more enlightened perspective on this situation than your average cryonics critic today. Death will then be viewed as something extremely uncommon and in need of extremely good evidence before medical procedures and ethics can be cast aside.

Comment author: AlexM 12 July 2010 05:54:32PM 2 points [-]

I hear this from cryo skeptics all the time. Doubts -- not so much as to whether it >works or not, but as to whether the patients who could be revived are human or not.

No, the question is whether the advanced posthuman civilisation will see the frozen primitive men as human beings.

How many resources are we spending to save and improve lives of apes?

If cryonics works in the first place, it means everyone who could be preserved but >isn't, is a human casualty

The purpose of cryonics , at least as as advertised here, is to save specifically your life, not humanity in general. And, for the purpose, is simply better to be one of a few rare specimens than one in a mass.

and everyone who could be reanimated but isn't is stuck in a coma against their will.

why would they care about our will?

Death will then be viewed as something extremely uncommon and in need of >extremely good evidence before medical procedures and ethics can be cast aside.

death of one of them, yes, but one of us?

Comment author: RichardKennaway 12 July 2010 02:46:50PM 9 points [-]

the optimal decision for what belief to choose might well to be to ignore that and believe something else.

Can you describe what you mean by "choosing to believe" in something? Right now it's raining where I am, and I don't seem to be able to choose to believe otherwise. I have the same difficulty in choosing to believe things I don't know the truth of, like whether it will stop raining by the time I go home.

On the other hand, I know someone who became interested in paganism, tested it by believing in it, and found it worked, so continued to believe. I would have been fascinated to probe him further on the matter, but I didn't think I could manage to not sound like an anthropologist inquiring somewhat condescendingly into the strange superstitions of tribal savages.

Comment author: AlexM 12 July 2010 05:29:35PM 0 points [-]

On the other hand, I know someone who became interested in paganism, tested it by >believing in it, and found it worked, so continued to believe.

how paganism worked for him? pagan rituals were cool and pagan chicks were hot, or something more? :P

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