Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 17 December 2014 05:35:53PM 2 points [-]

Historical note: his original blog post on it specifically used caffeine pills.

Comment author: AlexSchell 18 December 2014 07:04:11AM 0 points [-]

Huh, thanks. Not sure how I managed to misremember so specifically. Edited post.

Comment author: bramflakes 15 December 2014 12:49:00AM 10 points [-]

I have a terrible problem where I wake up from my alarm, turn off the alarm, then go back to sleep (I've missed several morning lectures this way). The solution I've been trialing is to put a glass of water and some caffeine pills on my bedside table when I go to sleep. That way, when I wake up I can turn off the alarm, take the pill and give in to the urge to put my head back on the pillow, confident that the caffeine will wake me up again a few minutes later. This has worked every time I've remembered to put out the pills.

I got this idea from someone else on LW but I've forgotten who, so credit to whomever it was.

Comment author: AlexSchell 16 December 2014 04:35:36AM *  4 points [-]

The hack is due to Anders Sandberg, with modafinil tablets though [ETA: this last part is false, see Kaj's reply]. Works wonderfully (whether with modafinil or caffeine).

Comment author: polymathwannabe 10 December 2014 04:21:00PM 1 point [-]
Comment author: AlexSchell 11 December 2014 02:42:20AM 5 points [-]

Do you have any sources that quantify the risk?

Comment author: Azathoth123 27 November 2014 04:46:47AM 0 points [-]

Many Western societies have seen pretty dramatic productivity-enhancing institutional changes in the last few hundred years that aren't explicable in terms of changes in genetic makeup.

Who said anything about genetics?

Hong Kong, Singapore, and South Korea seem to make a pretty strong case for a huge independent effect of institutions.

Korea is. China (I assume this is what you mean by Hong Kong and Singapore) is evidence against.

Comment author: AlexSchell 27 November 2014 05:56:24AM 0 points [-]

Oops, shouldn't have assumed you're talking about genetics :)

Still, if you're talking about character in a causally neutral sense, it seems that you need to posit character traits that hardly change within a person's lifetime. Here I admit that the evidence for rapid institutional effects is weaker than the evidence for institutional effects in general.

(Re: Hong Kong, Singapore, no, I do mean those cities specifically. Their economic outcomes differ strikingly from culturally and genetically similar neighbors because of their unique histories.

Comment author: Azathoth123 21 November 2014 06:26:09AM 1 point [-]

corruption, lack of infrastructure, and probably prejudice in Latin America

Why are these problems so much worse in Latin America? Probably a lot of it has to do with the character of the people there. Thus when he's in the country he's likely to do things that incrementally increase the problems he left Latin America to get away from.

Comment author: AlexSchell 23 November 2014 02:04:24AM 1 point [-]

Many Western societies have seen pretty dramatic productivity-enhancing institutional changes in the last few hundred years that aren't explicable in terms of changes in genetic makeup. In light of this, your view seems to rely on believing that most currently remaining institutional variation is genetic, whereas this wasn't the case ~300 years ago. Do you think this is the case?

Hong Kong, Singapore, and South Korea seem to make a pretty strong case for a huge independent effect of institutions.

Comment author: Capla 17 November 2014 11:58:37PM 1 point [-]

I'm not sure what I'm should take away from that exchange.

Comment author: AlexSchell 21 November 2014 05:49:15PM 0 points [-]

Ignore the last sentence and take the rest for what it's worth :) I did the equivalent of somewhat tactlessly throwing up my hands after concluding that the exchange stopped being productive (for me at least, if not for spectators) a while ago.

Comment author: Lumifer 16 November 2014 08:01:33PM *  0 points [-]

But when you consider your subjective credence about the event "the next toss will come up heads", and integrate the conditional probabilities over the range of parameter values, what you end up with is a constant. No uncertainty.

Really? You can estimate your subjective credence without any uncertainty at all? You integration of the conditional probabilities over the range of parameter values involves only numbers you are fully certain about?

I don't believe you.

Approximately none of the decision theory corpus applies to this case

So this decision theory corpus is crippled and not very useful. Why should we care much about it?

So decision theory with imprecise credence is currently unsolved.

Yes, of course, but life in general is "unsolved" and you need to make decisions on a daily basis, not waiting for a proper decision theory to mature.

I think you overestimate the degree to which abstractions are useful when applied to reality.

Comment author: AlexSchell 16 November 2014 10:42:44PM -1 points [-]

The fact that the assumptions of an incredibly useful theory of rational decisionmaking turn out not to be perfectly satisfied does not imply that we get to ignore the theory. If we want to do seemingly crazy things like diversifying charitable donations, we need an actual positive reason, such as the prescriptions of a better model of decisionmaking that can handle the complications. Just going with our intuition that we should "diversify" to "reduce risk", when we know that those intuitions are influenced by well-documented cognitive biases, is crazy.

This has been incredibly unproductive I can't believe I'm still talking to you kthxbai

Comment author: Lumifer 13 November 2014 04:48:52PM 0 points [-]

You seem to want to describe a situation where I have uncertainty about probabilities, and hence uncertainty about expected values.

Correct.

there are no generally accepted theories (certainly not "plenty") for decision making with imprecise credence.

Really? Keep in mind that in reality people make decisions on the basis of "imprecise probabilities" all the time. In fact, outside of controlled experiments, it's quite unusual to know the precise probability because real-life processes are, generally speaking, not that stable.

It is very misleading to invoke diversification, risk premia, etc. as analogous or applicable to this discussion.

On the contrary, I believe it's very illuminating to apply these concepts to the topic under discussion.

I did mention finance which is a useful example because it's a field where people deal with imprecise probabilities all the time and the outcomes of their decisions are both very clear and very motivating. You don't imagine that when someone, say, characterizes a financial asset as having the expected return of 5% with 20% volatility, these probabilities are precise, do you?

Comment author: AlexSchell 16 November 2014 01:07:10AM 0 points [-]

You don't imagine that when someone, say, characterizes a financial asset as having the expected return of 5% with 20% volatility, these probabilities are precise, do you?

Those are not even probabilities at all.

Comment author: Lumifer 13 November 2014 04:48:52PM 0 points [-]

You seem to want to describe a situation where I have uncertainty about probabilities, and hence uncertainty about expected values.

Correct.

there are no generally accepted theories (certainly not "plenty") for decision making with imprecise credence.

Really? Keep in mind that in reality people make decisions on the basis of "imprecise probabilities" all the time. In fact, outside of controlled experiments, it's quite unusual to know the precise probability because real-life processes are, generally speaking, not that stable.

It is very misleading to invoke diversification, risk premia, etc. as analogous or applicable to this discussion.

On the contrary, I believe it's very illuminating to apply these concepts to the topic under discussion.

I did mention finance which is a useful example because it's a field where people deal with imprecise probabilities all the time and the outcomes of their decisions are both very clear and very motivating. You don't imagine that when someone, say, characterizes a financial asset as having the expected return of 5% with 20% volatility, these probabilities are precise, do you?

Comment author: AlexSchell 16 November 2014 01:05:04AM *  0 points [-]

There are two very different sorts of scenarios with something like "imprecise probabilities".

The first sort of case involves uncertainty about a probability-like parameter of a physical system such as a biased coin. In a sense, you're uncertain about "the probability that the coin will come up heads" because you have uncertainty about the bias parameter. But when you consider your subjective credence about the event "the next toss will come up heads", and integrate the conditional probabilities over the range of parameter values, what you end up with is a constant. No uncertainty.

In the second sort of case, your very subjective credences are uncertain. On the usual definition of subjective probabilities in terms of betting odds this is nonsense, but maybe it makes some sense for boundedly introspective humans. Approximately none of the decision theory corpus applies to this case, because it all assumes that credences and expected values are constants known to the agent. Some decision rules for imprecise credence have been proposed, but my understanding is that they're all problematic (this paper surveys some of the problems). So decision theory with imprecise credence is currently unsolved.

Examples of the first sort are what gives talk about "uncertain probabilities" its air of reasonableness, but only the second case might justify deviations from expected utility maximization. I shall have to write a post about the distinction.

Comment author: Lumifer 12 November 2014 07:13:43PM *  0 points [-]

takes us a bit afield, I think

If you're truly risk neutral you would discount all uncertainty to zero, the expected value is all that you'd care about.

my introspection really tells me that my expected QALY/$ for charity B is 1.1

You introspection tells you that you're uncertain. Your best guess is 1.1 but it's just a guess. The uncertainty is very high.

I don't know how else to make this decision.

Oh, there are plenty of ways, just look at finance. Here's a possible starting point.

I agree with Gelman that risk-aversion estimates from undergraduates don't make any financial sense.

Gelman's point has nothing to do with whether undergrads have any financial sense or not. Gelman's point is that treating risk aversion as solely a function of the curvature of the utility function makes no sense whatsoever -- for all humans.

Comment author: AlexSchell 13 November 2014 05:18:08AM *  0 points [-]

Let me try to refocus a bit. You seem to want to describe a situation where I have uncertainty about probabilities, and hence uncertainty about expected values. If this is not so, your points are plainly inconsistent with expected utility maximization, assuming that your utility is roughly linear in QALYs in the range you can affect. If you are appealing to imprecise probability, what I alluded to by "I have no idea" is that there are no generally accepted theories (certainly not "plenty") for decision making with imprecise credence. It is very misleading to invoke diversification, risk premia, etc. as analogous or applicable to this discussion. None of these concepts make any essential use of imprecise probability in the way your example does.

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