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Comment author: Alicorn 15 September 2017 08:23:41PM 11 points [-]

I feel more optimistic about this project after reading this! I like the idea of curation being a separate action and user-created sequence collections that can be voted on. I'm... surprised to learn that we had view tracking that can figure out how much Sequence I have read? I didn't know about that at all. The thing that pushed me from "I hope this works out for them" to "I will bother with this myself" is the Medium-style individual blog page; that strikes a balance between desiderata in a good place for me, and I occasionally idly wish for a place for thoughts of the kind I would tweet and the size I would tumbl but wrongly themed for my tumblr.

I don't like the font. Serifs on a screen are bad. I can probably fix this client side or get used to it but it stood out to me a surprising amount. But I'm excited overall.

Comment author: Alicorn 21 September 2017 10:42:53PM 0 points [-]

Now that I'm looking at it more closely: Quoted text in comments does not seem sufficiently set off. It's slightly bigger and indented but it would be easy on casual inspection to mistake it for part of the same comment.

Comment author: Benito 21 September 2017 10:20:03PM 0 points [-]

I've just sent an email to the new address. Let me know if that works or not (very occasionally it goes into spam btw).

Comment author: Alicorn 21 September 2017 10:40:26PM 1 point [-]

That worked!

Comment author: Benito 21 September 2017 07:22:10PM *  0 points [-]

Hi, I think the comment above was slightly inaccurate earlier - when you're logging in, hit 'forgot password' to get the email.

If you did that and still don't receive an email, PM me with the email you want to get it sent to, and I'll do it manually.

Comment author: Alicorn 21 September 2017 08:20:01PM 0 points [-]

I did that yesterday and again today. PMing.

Comment author: Habryka 20 September 2017 06:51:02PM *  2 points [-]

Update: Open beta will happen today by 4pm Pacific time. At this point you will be able to sign up / login with your LW 1.0 accounts (if the latter, you should request a password-rest email, as we did not copy over your passwords).

Comment author: Alicorn 21 September 2017 05:31:32AM 0 points [-]

I don't seem to have received the password reset email either. (Also, you might want to have this information on the website itself somewhere accessible from the login box.)

Comment author: SaidAchmiz 16 September 2017 11:43:06PM *  6 points [-]

As with many such things, there are standard, canonical solutions to your concerns.

In this case, the answer is "select pairs/sets of fonts that are specifically designed to have the same width in both the serif and the sans variants". There are many such "font superfamilies". If you'd like, I can draw up a list of recommendations. (It would be helpful if you could let me know your constraints w.r.t. licensing and budget.)

Theme variants do not have to be comprehensive redesigns. It is eminently possible to design a set themes that will not lead to the content being perceived very differently depending on the active theme.

P.S.:

Overall, my hypothesis is that Alicorn might not dislike serif-fonts in general, but might be unhappy about our specific choice of serif fonts, which is indeed very serify.

I suspect the distinction you're looking for, here, is between transitional serifs (of which Charter, the Medium font, is one, although it's also got slab-serif elements) and the quite different old-style serifs (of which ET Book, the current LW 2.0 font, is one). (There are also other differences, orthogonal to that distinction—such as ET Book's considerably smaller x-height—which also affect readability.)

Alicorn, if you're reading this, I wonder what your reaction is to the font used on this website:

https://www.readthesequences.com

P.P.S.: It is also possible that the off-black text color is negatively impacting readability! (Especially since it can interact in a somewhat unfortunate manner with certain text rendering engines.)

Alicorn, what OS and browser are you viewing the LW 2.0 site on?

Comment author: Alicorn 17 September 2017 01:19:57AM 3 points [-]

I do not like the readthesequences font. It feels like I'm back in grad school and also reading is suddenly harder.

I'm on a Mac 'fox.

Comment author: Habryka 16 September 2017 11:20:43PM 1 point [-]

I am slightly hesitant to force authors to think about how their posts will look like in different fonts, and different styles. While I don't expect this to be a problem most of the time, there are posts that I write where the font choice would matter for how the content comes across.

Medium allows the writer to chose between a sans-serif and a serif font, which I like a bit more, but I would expect would not really satisfy Alicorn's preferences.

Maintaining multiple themes also adds a lot of design constraints and complexity to updating various parts of the page. The width of a button might change with different fonts, and depending on the implementation, you might end up needing to add special cases for each theme choice, which I would really prefer to avoid.

Overall, my hypothesis is that Alicorn might not dislike serif-fonts in general, but might be unhappy about our specific choice of serif fonts, which is indeed very serify. I would be curios whether she also has a similar reaction to the default Medium font, for example displayed in this post: https://medium.com/@pshrmn/a-simple-react-router-v4-tutorial-7f23ff27adf

Comment author: Alicorn 17 September 2017 01:18:39AM 2 points [-]

The Medium font is much less bad but still not great.

Comment author: Alicorn 15 September 2017 08:23:41PM 11 points [-]

I feel more optimistic about this project after reading this! I like the idea of curation being a separate action and user-created sequence collections that can be voted on. I'm... surprised to learn that we had view tracking that can figure out how much Sequence I have read? I didn't know about that at all. The thing that pushed me from "I hope this works out for them" to "I will bother with this myself" is the Medium-style individual blog page; that strikes a balance between desiderata in a good place for me, and I occasionally idly wish for a place for thoughts of the kind I would tweet and the size I would tumbl but wrongly themed for my tumblr.

I don't like the font. Serifs on a screen are bad. I can probably fix this client side or get used to it but it stood out to me a surprising amount. But I'm excited overall.

Comment author: Zarm 03 July 2017 01:44:44PM 0 points [-]

I'd like to hear the argument about why trees lives are worth antthing. Sure, they're worth instrumental value, but thats not what we're talking about. I'm arguing that trees are worth 0 and that animals are comparable to humans. Trees aren't conscious. Many animals are.

Comment author: Alicorn 03 July 2017 11:51:09PM 2 points [-]

I think if you want to have this conversation you should not start a thread by asking for "perspectives on veganism" from people who are not vegans. It would be more honest to announce "I'm a vegan and invite you to squabble with me!"

Comment author: Zarm 29 June 2017 09:12:14PM *  1 point [-]

I see what you're saying but I have to disagree. I agree that humans are worth more. Here's the thing though. You have to compare the numbers. This isn't one animal to one human, where I WOULD pick the human. The fact is that 60+ billion animals are slaughtered each year. And as we both probably know, at that point its just a statistic, but take a moment to think about how much that really is. There's no other number comparable to it.

While I applaud that you are pescetarian, I think more can be done and more should be changed. I think that if you pushed yourself to change, as that's all rationalism is about, it could be just as an excellent a quality of life for yourself if not better. There are soo many foods out there.

I would honestly make the argument that the majority of meat-eaters are not on the curve, but rather willfully ignorant of how bad factory farming is.

Comment author: Alicorn 03 July 2017 04:32:18AM *  1 point [-]

I'm aware that you disagree, that being the premise of the thread, but your argument does not engage with my reasoning, to a degree that makes me concerned that you were not looking for perspectives but targets. Consider:

Trees are not zero important, but people are more important. (I think most people would agree with this?)

While I would not go around gratuitously killing trees for trivial reasons, as long as no qualitative negative effect on the ecosystem or somebody's property or something like that were on the line I would not hesitate to sacrifice arbitrary numbers of trees' lives for even one human's even non-mortal convenience. The trees don't matter in the right way. I still think it would be bad to kill sixty billion trees, but not that bad.

I said "hopefully" because I agree that most people are not consciously or even implicitly finding a place on the QoL/animal suffering tradeoff curve, but just using defaults. I agree that they should not mindlessly use defaults in this way and that most people should probably use fewer animal products than they do. I disagree with the rest of your position as I understand it.

Comment author: Zarm 26 June 2017 11:11:40PM *  2 points [-]

I'm extremely surprised that the percentage of vegans here is only slightly higher than the general public. I would consider myself an aspiring rationalist and I've had countless, countless arguments over the subject of animal rights and from everything I've found (which is a whole lot), the arguments side heavily towards veganism. I can literally play bingo with the responses I get from the average person, that's how reoccurring the rationalizations are. I can go on in much, much greater extant as to why veganism is a good idea, and from posts and comments I've seen on here, it seems that most people on here don't actually know too much about it, but for this I'm going to leave it at this.

Now, I'm not addressing those that say morality is subjective and those that live solely for themselves.

For those that DO think unnecessary suffering is wrong and have other altruistic tendencies, what is your perspective on veganism?

Comment author: Alicorn 28 June 2017 02:14:24AM 0 points [-]

Animals are not zero important, but people are more important. I am a pescetarian because that is the threshold at which I can still enjoy an excellent quality of life, but I don't need to eat chicken fingers and salami to reach that point. Vegans are (hopefully) at a different point on this tradeoff curve than I am and meat-eaters (also hopefully) are at a different point in the other direction.

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