Comment author: Dustin 05 June 2014 09:22:35PM 17 points [-]
  1. Your phrasing was pseudo-mystical.
  2. You used non-standard meanings for words.
  3. It was a bunch of assertions, without a meaningful way to springboard into more discussion.
  4. My first thought was "why doesn't this person recognize that something so out of the ordinary requires a lot more explication?"
  5. I had to think much more than should have been necessary to even begin to grasp what you could even possibly have meant by saying things like "Software is becoming the new System".

Basically, it came across as a very low-effort post that seemed explicitly designed to create poor quality discussion.

Comment author: AndyWood 06 June 2014 10:55:14AM -2 points [-]

Ordinary for what? Ordinary for this small community? It's a big world out there.

Comment author: Gavin 05 June 2014 06:09:37PM *  3 points [-]

I didn't downvote it, and was disappointed when I looked at it and it appear to have been downvoted simply for being wrong. My impression at the time was that the author was thinking sloppily, and was insisting on continuing the same pattern of thought despite corrective comments.

It appears to have been removed, so I can't go back and check my assumptions.

In my view, the only reason for downvoting something so far would be if it were completely off topic or the poster were aggressively insulting other users.

Comment author: AndyWood 06 June 2014 10:36:14AM 1 point [-]

Thank you, Gavin

AI is Software is AI

-42 AndyWood 05 June 2014 06:15PM

Turing's Test is from 1950. We don't judge dogs only by how human they are. Judging software by a human ideal is like a species bias.

Software is the new System. It errs. Some errors are jokes (witness funny auto-correct). Driver-less cars don't crash like we do. Maybe a few will.

These processes are our partners now (Siri). Whether a singleton evolves rapidly, software evolves continuously, now.

 

Crocker's Rules

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Comment author: ChristianKl 04 June 2014 12:19:32PM 3 points [-]

If you look at the way MIRI defines AGI you won't find it mentioning the turing test as the primary criteria.

As far as addressing the issue of the Turing test Bruce Sterling's article http://www.wired.com/2012/06/turing-centenary-speech-new-aesthetic/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%253A+wiredbeyond+%2528Blog+-+Beyond+the+Beyond%252FSterling%2529 is a lot better and a lot more fun.

Comment author: AndyWood 05 June 2014 05:51:48PM 2 points [-]

Thank you, ChristianKI

Curiosity: Why did you mega-downvote "AI is Software" ?

2 AndyWood 05 June 2014 05:50PM

I've never experienced anything like it before on LessWrong. Would you care to re-read the post, and offer your feedback?

Comment author: ArisKatsaris 05 June 2014 08:42:54AM 0 points [-]

Do explain, mwengler: Are you arguing that we should upvote Andy's claim that bugs are supposedly intentional jokes played on us by a playfully childlike software?

If you believe I'm misconstruing/misinterpreting what Andy has been saying, I'll show you the original text of this post of his, before he edited it.

Comment author: AndyWood 05 June 2014 05:42:09PM 0 points [-]

ArisKatsaris, I did not say "intentional", and if I did, I would not mean it in quite the way you do. But I would mean it in an analogous way to our intentionality. Why did you insert this word?

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Comment author: AndyWood 05 June 2014 05:33:40PM *  -1 points [-]

This is another call for respectful dialog on the topic. Takers?

A brief word on credentials. I am a 23/24-year "veteran" of the software industry. I have worked on many types of software at Microsoft, and on simulation and optimization at Electronic Arts. I am an information scientist first, and an "armchair" theoretical physicist (with a pet TOE), and a hands-on consciousness researcher.

Thank you for the civil dialog.

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Comment author: JQuinton 04 June 2014 02:51:09PM 6 points [-]

We don't judge dogs only by how human they are

No, but we do judge dogs by how intelligent they are. And there are certain dogs that are more intelligent than others. Intelligence != human intelligence. Furthermore, most software only interacts with other software/hardware/firmware. To the extent that it interacts with meatspace that interaction is mediated by a person. AI would be software that interacts efficiently with meatspace directly without human intervention.

If AI is software is AI, then human intelligence is DNA is human intelligence. An obvious non-sequitur.

Comment author: AndyWood 05 June 2014 05:22:45PM -2 points [-]

Take google maps. On one end, it interacts through road sensors. On the other end, it serves us by telling about traffic.

Comment author: AndyWood 04 June 2014 07:56:28AM 2 points [-]

Look for people who need your kindness. Things will open up for you.

Comment author: FourFire 23 April 2014 01:41:54AM 1 point [-]

I myself held this position until I, quite recently as a matter of fact, read some fiction which tipped off an existential crisis, putting me on the verge of a panic attack. Since then, I am more wary of dangerous ideas.

Ignorance might be bliss, but wisdom is gathered by those who survive their youth.

Comment author: AndyWood 04 June 2014 04:08:23AM 1 point [-]

I have had many attacks. I survived them all.

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