Comment author: Multiheaded 11 May 2012 02:50:27PM 5 points [-]

WHAT? "Subtlety understanding"? You're over-reading me, I meant no more than I just said; even when I disagree with people who hold your views (alt-right, "racial realists", etc) in other regards, I've always found your line on the racial question mostly solid and decent.

Comment author: Aurini 11 May 2012 02:56:01PM 2 points [-]

I read unintentional sarcasm.

Your response: Appreciated. :)

I'm not a complete bastard!

Comment author: GLaDOS 11 May 2012 02:30:26PM *  9 points [-]

Check out my comment history I'm an evil "racist" too. I don't get down voted though.

Oh I'm sure the downvotes for the main articles are almost entirely from newbs to the topic who are shocked SHOCKED to see this argument. And people who are thinking "this is true but I can't have this on LW main it looks bad to non-LWers!". And now that its in negative numbers people will dog pile on it (happens to most)... and that isn't so much your fault (though I guarantee you you would have had a better response in discussion).

But in some of the later comments about the meta level you really did responded badly. You don't seem to be currently calibrated to what kind of style LW posters want. Don't worry it gets back to you after a while. (^_^)

Comment author: Aurini 11 May 2012 02:53:58PM -14 points [-]

GLaDOS, you are the first girl-computer to give me a bRoner.

The mind truly is the sexy organ, even for a playa like myself.

I may have to trust you to post the videos full of Truth in the future; I have three more posts, tops, before I burn out of karma. You must post them, while decrying me as a monster! That is how the fates say it must be.

Comment author: JoachimSchipper 11 May 2012 02:36:09PM -1 points [-]

Something argument-ish can be found here.

There is an interesting truth-seeking-vs-consequentialism discussion to be had here, but I'll just let the rest of your comment slide.

Comment author: Aurini 11 May 2012 02:49:43PM -5 points [-]

So... race realists who argue that Asians have higher IQs than whites are racist against Asians...

cough strawman cough

Not to mention it completely ignores the video which (I suspect) confused your inferior brain.

Comment author: Multiheaded 11 May 2012 02:45:20PM 2 points [-]

Sure, sure, I believe you. I never played the racism card on any of you HBD people.

Comment author: Aurini 11 May 2012 02:47:13PM -2 points [-]

I fail at subtelty understanding.

If you read the comments on the video, it's pretty clear who I'm talking about.

Comment author: Multiheaded 11 May 2012 02:38:33PM 11 points [-]

You filthy degenerate hypocrite.

Dude, THAT's why you're getting downvoted (I'm not doing it right now, but others do). Not because of the substance of your arguments, but because we don't address fellow members like that.

Comment author: Aurini 11 May 2012 02:45:12PM -13 points [-]

I was incredibly polite on the last debate; I still got downvoted.

Above, I see a morally righteous coward - somebody who should be an anathema to LW - and he's getting up votes. It doesn't matter what I say; I am destined to failure for not saying what I OUGHT to.

This place likes to pretend that it's counter-norm, but it parrots the university line at the drop of a hat.

Note that the argument on my video isn't the video itself - it's whether the video is appropriate or not. Perfect soviet doublespeak. 3 years ago this place would have loved challenging information.

Comment author: Multiheaded 11 May 2012 02:04:02PM *  5 points [-]

This might or might not be so, however, if you suddenly saw strong evidence to the contrary, would you hold the genetically afflicted race in disgust and contempt, treating it as having less moral worth than the more fortunate races? Or would you try to help its members eliminate the unwanted cultural/behavioral differences (without necessarily harming yourself in any way)?

Comment author: Aurini 11 May 2012 02:39:43PM 0 points [-]

And given that I'm one of those incredibly evil people - what is my attitude towards blacks?

Almost seems like I give a shit about them...

I actually did this video because one of my black subscribers challenged me; I needed to take a stance. He's in complete agreement, from his comments.

Comment author: neq1 11 May 2012 01:57:10PM 2 points [-]

It implies that people who reject their claims are not being real. I want to be a realist, but I certainly have seen no evidence that any particular race is more likely to commit unscrupulous acts if you control for environment (if that was even possible). It's a propaganda term, like '[my cause] realist.'

Comment author: Aurini 11 May 2012 02:37:06PM -12 points [-]

OMG, you're serious! Or an epic troll.

Comment author: neq1 11 May 2012 01:49:02PM -5 points [-]

Downvoted for use of the term 'race realism' (that's verbal bullying).

Comment author: Aurini 11 May 2012 02:36:39PM -13 points [-]

Lulz.

Comment author: JoachimSchipper 11 May 2012 01:56:00PM *  15 points [-]

(Based on metatroll's transcript (thanks!).)

[EDIT: expanded, original below.]

Unfortunately, you seem to fall prey to the usual errors:

  • you do not mention high-education-results subcultures. Analyzing educational results leads to the non-mainstream and actionable-to-you result "tiger moms are awesome" (one prominent LWian does think in that direction). However, when race realists do this analysis, they always conclude (only) "blacks suck". (To be explicit: you've been hanging with white supremacists.)
  • parents' social standing is highly influential. Serious civil rights legislation has only been in place for fifty years or so; there are huge confounding factors when inferring "inherent" intelligence from current life outcomes, which should at least be mentioned.
  • name-calling is not an argument.
  • you rail against feminism, but that seems somewhat unrelated. More importantly, women do pretty well in society (in particular, in the educational outcomes you cited above), so a straight "black people are poor - women are poor, too" analogy seems to fall flat. (This also furthers the impression that you've been hanging with a particular kind of white dude.)
  • "affirmative action discriminates against whites" is not a fair and full evaluation of that policy, since that is indeed exactly what it's supposed to do. Your "awesome black doctor" is an argument against affirmative action, but you have not really engaged the core goal (improve chances for black people).

[Pre-EDIT: was: Unfortunately, you seem to fall prey to the usual errors: not mentioning Asian-American or other high-education-results cultures; not mentioning history; name-calling; linking it to unrelated causes including "men's rights"; attacking affirmative action without even considering whether the good outweighs the bad.]

Comment author: Aurini 11 May 2012 02:36:11PM *  -5 points [-]

EDIT: In case you didn't notice, I'm not arguing for race realism - my introductory remarks state that I don't get it. However, I'm arguing against the egalitarian premise. You attack the premises I supposedly hold - what's your explanation of 2.2 billion dollars failing to achieve anything?

I cite and link that fact - and reference the Colour of Crime study, which I do not link, but is easably searchable.

Can you explain either of these? Or... is it just racism that's behind it all?

My theory fits the facts. Your theory is comfortable, and fits the political will.

Edited.

Comment author: Raemon 11 May 2012 02:16:57PM 17 points [-]

I think there exists in hypothetical-discussion-post-space a worthwhile discussion of this topic, but this post is almost certainly not it.

Comment author: Aurini 11 May 2012 02:29:55PM 2 points [-]

I agree.

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