(Would be interested in someone going through this paper and writing a post or comment highlighting some examples and why they're considered successful.)
I'd be happy to have this discussion again at the end of the year, looking back
(Can come back to it at the end of the year; if you have any advance predictions, they might be helpful to have posted!)
I have sent myself an email to arrive on December 20th to send you both a reminder about this thread.
1A hunger strike is not a good tool if you don’t want to paint someone as a villain in the eyes of the public when they don’t give in to your demand.
Is there any form of protest that doesn't implicitly imply that the person you're protesting is doing something wrong? When the thing wrong is "causing human extinction" it seems to me kind of hard for that to not automatically be assumed 'villainous'.
(Asking genuinely, I think it quite probably the answer is 'yes'.)
The strong sign that it is not LLM-written is that it is short.
"Important" is ambiguous, in that I agree it matters, but it does for this civilization to ban whole life options from people until they have heard about niche philosophy. Most people will never hear about niche philosophy.
It's not a norm of discourse that one cannot state that a position is absurd. And it is a virtue of discourse to show up and argue for one's stances, as Habryka does throughout that thread!
This all feels galaxy-brained to me and like it proves too much. By analogy I feel like if you thought about population ethics for a while and came to counterintuitive conclusions, you might argue that people who haven't done that shouldn't be allowed to have children; or if they haven't thought about timeless decision theory for a while they aren't allowed to get a carry license.
Makes sense. I don't hold this stance; I think my stance is that many/most people are kind of insane on this, but that like with many topics we can just be more sane if we try hard and if some of us set up good institutions around it for helping people have wisdom to lean on in thinking about it, rather than having to do all their thinking themselves with their raw brain.
(I weakly propose we leave it here, as I don't think I have a ton more to say on this subject right now.)
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I think some of these are shown in what you link, but 'calls for violence' I have not seen. I just searched for it a little, and mostly found him speaking against that.
I also found him to be consistently annoyed about people blurring the line between aggressive speech and physical violence. Here's one example.