Comment author: SquirrelInHell 31 May 2016 02:14:26AM 0 points [-]

OK, here's one example of something that is not covered: someone can feel that by focusing on their flaws, they get the benefit of putting more effort into presenting their best side, and improving their look. So they wouldn't want to stop concentrating on the flaws.

I mean, there's a lot of psychology/social pressures/doublethink/self-image/etc. issues around this. I anticipate that simply telling people"from now on, concentrate more on your positive sides!" does not solve the problem in most cases, and can even sound condescending (as if they didn't already know that!).

Comment author: Bound_up 31 May 2016 02:50:45PM 0 points [-]

Mmm, good point!

Now, I might imagine, in that scenario, that they still self-perceive as less beautiful because of all the attention they're giving their flaws.

But a side effect of no longer doing so and no longer self-perceiving negatively might be a decrease in their effectiveness in countering those flaws...

Comment author: Dagon 30 May 2016 03:40:44PM 0 points [-]

Don't forget selection bias. Even if purely objective and accurate measurements are possible, almost everyone thinks they're less beautiful than everyone else.

Amy's self-image is likely formed by seeing herself in a mirror before and during grooming, where she sees her friends and others mostly already made-up. Selection bias (the true average non-representative observations) leads her to believe that she's on average less well groomed than anyone else.

Similarly in other's reactions. Rejections and bad experiences tend to be private, where successful interactions are more often shared and reviewed with others. A straight average of all your experiences compared with those experiences that people have shared with you will make those others seem better off.

And, of course "beautiful" is a fairly poorly-defined word. It's not a very good target for debiasing, as it's very hard to measure an improvement in estimation. How does your post change if Amy is, in fact, less generally attractive than her friends?

Actually, what's the goal here? This isn't a topic where accurately assessing oneself is usually recommended, but rather to worry less and believe yourself beautiful. Are you trying to increase readers' self-confidence, or to help them rationally decide whether to put more effort into their appearance, or something else?

Comment author: Bound_up 31 May 2016 02:47:35PM 0 points [-]

Yes, you make a very good point.

I'm very careful about what exactly I'm recommending.

The gist is that we should all know how beautiful we are.

Which some people interpret as meaning we should all think we're beautiful.

But I think it probably better if we all know exactly how beautiful we are.

Naturally, "beautiful" is not really the point, per se. The idea is, whatever aesthetic you're judging, if you want to embody it (or if other people want you to embody it), then deviations from it will be considered negatively, and loss aversion will focus your attention on those deviations. It applies to whatever you might be judging about yourself.

Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 30 May 2016 05:22:55AM 1 point [-]

Negativity bias might be a better cite than loss aversion.

Comment author: Bound_up 30 May 2016 06:34:35AM 0 points [-]

Hmm...maybe.

As I understand it, loss aversion is just a specific kind of negativity bias. Is that right, do you think?

Comment author: SquirrelInHell 30 May 2016 01:43:47AM 1 point [-]

Yes, it's a thing.

And I think the bias occurs when interacting with videos/photos/mirror reflections/etc. of yourself, not just the "first person" view.

My theory is that we have a evolutionary anti-bias that only works with the "fist person" view, that prevents us from disparaging our own looks in that case.

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Your proposed fix seems... not enough. Let's think more about how to solve this.

(E.g. I know about some good effects from a "desanitizing" approach in similar areas, like judging your own voice recordings, maybe it could also be applied here.)

Comment author: Bound_up 30 May 2016 03:38:58AM 1 point [-]

The solution described is designed only to counter the attentional bias caused by loss aversion.

If there are other causes contributing to a similar effect, I wouldn't expect the included solution to address them also just by luck.

Is there any research on the "first person" view that you mention? As I'm no scientist, I've only dealt with the already firmly established findings like loss aversion.

Comment author: Gram_Stone 29 May 2016 07:08:38PM 1 point [-]

Your links are broken.

Comment author: Bound_up 29 May 2016 07:23:44PM 1 point [-]

Thank you. I took them off.

How do I add them properly?

Cognitive Biases Affecting Self-Perception of Beauty

0 Bound_up 29 May 2016 06:32PM

I wrote an article for mass consumption on the biases which are at play in a hot-button social issue, namely, how people feel about their beauty.

 

skepticexaminer.com/2016/05/dont-think-youre-beautiful/

 

and

 

intentionalinsights.org/why-you-dont-think-youre-beautiful

 

It's supposed to be interesting to people who wouldn't normally care a whit for correcting their biases for the sake of epistemology.

 

EDIT: Text included below

 

 

Long-time friends Amy, Bailey, and Casey are having their weekly lunch together when Amy says “I don’t think I’m very beautiful.”


Have you ever seen something like this? Regardless, before moving on, try to guess what will happen next. What kind of future would you predict?


I’ve often seen such a scene. My experience would lead me to predict... 


“Of course you’re beautiful!” they reassure her. Granted, people sometimes say that just to be nice, but I’ll be talking about those times when they are sincere.


How can Bailey and Casey see Amy as beautiful when Amy doesn’t? Some great insight into beauty, perhaps?


Not at all! Consider what typically happens next.


“I only wish I was as beautiful as you, Amy,” Bailey reassures her.


The usual continuation of the scene reveals that Bailey is just as self-conscious as Amy is, and Casey’s probably the same. All people have this natural tendency, to judge their own appearance more harshly than they do others’.


So what’s going on?


If you were present, I’d ask you to guess what causes us to judge ourselves this way. Indeed, I have so asked from time to time, and found most people blame the same thing.


Think about it; what does everybody blame when people are self-conscious about their beauty?


We blame…


The media! The blasted media and the narrow standard of beauty it imposes.
There are two effects; the media is responsible for only one, and not the one we’re talking about.


Research suggests that the media negatively affects how we judge both ourselves and others. We tend to focus on how it affects our perception of ourselves, but the media affects how we judge others, too. More to the point, that’s not the effect we were talking about!


We were talking about a separate effect, where people tend to judge themselves one way and everyone else another. Is it proper to blame the media for this also? 


Picture what would happen if the media were to blame.


First, everyone assimilates the media’s standard of beauty. They judge beauty by that standard. That’s the theory. So far so good.


What does this cause? They look themselves over in the mirror. They see that they don’t fit the standard. Eventually they sigh, and give up. “I’m not beautiful,” they think.


Check. The theory fits.


But what happens when they look at other people?


Bailey looks at Amy. Amy doesn’t (as hardly anybody does) fit the standard of beauty. So…Bailey concludes that Amy isn’t beautiful?


That’s not what happens! Amy looks fine to Bailey, and vice versa! The media effect doesn’t look like this one. We might get our standard of beauty from the media, but the question remains, why do we hold ourselves to it morethan we do everyone else?


We need something that more fully explains why Amy judges herself one way and everyone else another, something mapping the territory of reality.


The Explanation


A combination of two things.


1. Amy’s beauty is very important to her.
2. She knows her looks better than others do.


Amy’s beauty affects her own life. Other people’s beauty doesn’t affect her life nearly as much.


Consider how Amy looks at other people. She sees their features and figure, whatever good and bad parts stand out, a balanced assessment of their beauty. She has no special reason to pay extra attention to their good or bad parts, no special reason to judge them any particular way at all. At the end of the day, it just doesn’t much matter to her how other people look.


Contrast that to how much her appearance matters to her. How we look affects how people perceive us, how we perceive ourselves, how we feel walking down the street. Indeed, researchers have found that the more beautifulwe are, the more we get paid, and the more we are perceived as honest and intelligent.


Like for most people, Amy’s beauty is a big deal to her. So which does she pay attention to, the potential gains of highlighting her good points, or the potential losses of highlighting her bad points? Research suggests that she will focus on losses. It’s called loss aversion.


Reason 1: Loss Aversion


We hate losing even more than we love winning. Loss aversion is when we value the same thing more or less based on if you’re going to gain it or if you risk losing it.


Say someone gives you $1000. They say you can either lose $400 of it now, or try to hold on to it all, 50-50 odds to keep it all or lose it all. What would you do?


Well, studies show about 61% of people in this situation choose to gamble on keeping everything over a sure loss.


Then suppose you get a second deal. You can either keep $600 of your $1000 now, or you can risk losing it all, 50-50 odds again. What would you do?


People tend to like keeping the $600 more in this deal, only 43% tend to gamble.


Do you see the trick?


Losing $400 out of $1000 is the same thing as keeping $600 out of $1000! So why do people like the “keeping” option over the “losing” option? We just tend to focus on avoiding losses, even if it doesn’t make sense.


Result for Amy? Given the choice to pay attention to what could make her look good, or to what could make her look bad…


Amy carefully checks on all her flaws each time she looks in the mirror. The balanced beauty assessment that Amy graciously grants others is lost when she views herself. She sees herself as less beautiful than everyone else sees her. 


Plus, whatever has your attention seems more important than what you’re not paying attention to. It’s calledattentional bias. It’s a natural fact that if you spend most of the time carefully examining your flaws, and only very little time appreciating your good points, the flaws will tend to weigh heaviest in your mind.


Now, the second reason Amy judges her own beauty under a harsher gaze.


Reason 2: Familiarity


Amy doesn’t just have more cause to look at her flaws, she has more ability to do so.
Who knows you like you? If you paid someone to examine flaw after flaw in you, they wouldn’t know where to look! They’d find one, and then hunt for the next one while all the beautiful parts of you kept getting in the way. There’s that balanced assessment we have when we judge each others beauty; there’s a limit to how judgmental we can be even if we’re trying!


Indeed, it takes years, a lifetime, even, to build up the blind spots to beauty, and the checklist of flaws Amy knows by heart. She can jump from one flaw to the next and to the next with an impressive speed and efficiency that would be fantastic if it wasn’t all aimed at tearing down the beauty before her.


Your intimate knowledge of your beauty could just as easily let you appreciate your subtle beauties as your subtle flaws, but thanks to loss aversion, your attention is dialed up to to ten and stuck on ruthless judgment.


Review


And so it is. Amy’s loss aversion focuses her attention on flaws. This attentional bias makes her misjudge her beauty for the worse, the handiwork of her emotional self. Then her unique intimacy with her appearance lets her unforgiving judgments strike more overwhelmingly and more piercingly than could her worst enemy. Indeed, in this, she is her own worst enemy.


Since others don’t have the ability to criticize us like we can, and they don’t have any reason to pay special attention to our faults, their attention towards us is more balanced. They see the clearest good and bad things.


The Fix


How can Amy achieve a more natural, balanced view of her beauty? It’s a question which has troubled me at times, as even the most beautiful people I know are so often so down about their looks. How can it be? I’ve often been in that scene offering my assurances, and know well the feeling when my assurances are rejected, and my view of another’s beauty is knocked away and replaced with a gloomier picture. A sense of listless hopelessness advances as I search for a way to show them what I see. How can I say it any better than I already have? How can I make them see...?


If we can avoid the attentional bias on flaws, then we can make up for our loss aversion. We’ll always see ourselves more deeply than most, but we can focus on the good and bad. For every subtle flaw we endure a subtle loveliness we can turn to.


Next time examining her form and features in the mirror, Amy intentionally switches her attention to the appreciation of what she likes about herself. She spends as much time on her good points as her bad. She is beginning to see herself with the balance others naturally see her with.


All people can do the same. A balanced attention will counter our natural loss aversion, and let us see ourselves as others already do.


As you practice seeing with new eyes, let the perspective of others remind you what you’re looking for. Allow yourself to accept their perspective of you as valid, and probably more balanced than your own. Your goal to have a balanced perspective may take time, but take comfort in each of the little improvements along the way.


Questions to consider
• What would happen if only the effects of the media were in play without the effects of loss aversion? Or vice versa?
• How can you remember to balance your attention when you look in the mirror?
• What other mistakes might our loss aversion lead us to?
• How else might you achieve a more balanced perspective of yourself?
• Whom do you know that might benefit from understanding these ideas?

Comment author: Bound_up 13 May 2016 04:07:20AM -1 points [-]

You're overthinking it

Comment author: Bound_up 11 May 2016 06:19:52PM 1 point [-]

In the context of religious arguments, some say that the constants of the universe are improbably finely tuned for the existence of life and order. The constants refer to things like the gravitational constant, the strength of the atomic weak force, etcetera.

It is my understanding that the order part is key; most other possible constants wouldn't allow for an alternate form of life, for example, because everything would be so far apart as to never interact, or so close together as to never vary in its state.

Some will respond that there may be a multiverse of universes, with random universal constants, so that some improbable universes are bound to crop up.

To this, it is responded that inventing a multiverse to explain away apparently purposeful tuning of universal constants doesn't really work. It's an excuse.

Now, I know that MWI was NOT invented to explain away anything, that it was presented as a possible explanation for certain observations well in advance of this kind of argument.

But, here is my question. Does MWI limit itself to alternate universes with the same universal constants, or does it predict also the existence of universes with different universal constants?

Comment author: Bound_up 08 May 2016 10:32:13PM 0 points [-]

Do you know of any LW people farther south, around LA, or even farther south than that?

I'll be moving there soon :)

Comment author: ArisKatsaris 01 May 2016 09:28:00PM 0 points [-]

Music Thread

Comment author: Bound_up 03 May 2016 09:23:14PM 2 points [-]

Protomen Act 2: The Father of Death - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWwGo28FdZ8 1984 and Megaman-inspired rock opera. Story of Dr. Light's quest to avenge his father's death by accident by making machines to replace dangerous work, and the theft of his work by his ambitious partner, who proceeds to conquer the world.

Starry, Starry Night (Vincent) - Don Mclean - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxHnRfhDmrk Wistful and sad song on the life, work, and suicide of Vincent Van Gogh "How you suffered for your sanity"

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