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Comment author: Caerbannog 23 April 2013 09:27:09PM 1 point [-]

Sorry, I forgot feet != meters. Ha.

Comment author: Caerbannog 23 April 2013 08:39:15PM *  6 points [-]

I don't agree with this.

Your thought experiment with the dumbbell is an incorrect way of thinking about ambient pressure. Ambient pressure pushes against an object from every direction. It does not work to deform or break, only compress from all sides.

Picture this: You have a hand-sized water balloon on a table. You place the two dumbbells on it; it breaks. You have another water balloon. You take this one, tie it to a dumbbell, and drop it into deep water. Do you expect it to break when descends to 3 feet (i.e. 10% increase in pressure)?

I would not expect it to break at all. When water and other non-gases are put under pressure, the bonds and repulsive forces within push back.

Don't quote me on this part, but I would guess that to break a bone with just ambient pressure, you'd have to raise the pressure to about the compressive strength of the bone, around 100 megapascals. For reference, standard atmospheric pressure is around 100 kilopascals.

edit: changed 3 meters to 3 feet, per prase's comment.

Comment author: Caerbannog 23 April 2013 03:06:49PM *  19 points [-]

This is very misleading. Most of the discomfort would be from the hard table against the back of your hand, and this would be because of local pressure on specific points.

Pressure causes problems when there's a big change in a relatively short time. Ears, for example, have a hard time with this, but you can equalize them by closing your nose and mouth and trying to blow out. Before I knew about this trick, I could never dive to the bottom of the pool. Now, no problem.

A more realistic example would be to bury your hand in a foot or two of fine sand. Does that sound uncomfortable?

In the sand example, it's also important that the pressure is acting from all sides (top, bottom, left, right) so there's no force acting to deform your hand.

We can handle a relatively large range of pressures, and there are other problems before you start causing mechanical damage from the actual pressure (lack of oxygen at low pressure, dissolved gas at high pressure).

edit: grammar

Comment author: Caerbannog 07 March 2013 10:16:59PM 7 points [-]

I think it's possible you're conflating potassium (element symbol K) with vitamin K. Vitamin K and warfarin (rat poison) are antagonists. Potassium (as chloride) is quite soluble in water, is prevalent in blood, and is primarily regulated by the kidneys.

Comment author: Caerbannog 23 November 2012 09:54:28PM 0 points [-]

I've been to doctors for the major joint problems, but they've said various contradictory things that have never helped. They've told me that it's aging. When I had my knee scoped the orthopedic surgeon told me that I "have naturally soft cartilage" . I don't think highly of that diagnosis.

In my experience, modern medicine is not that good with things unfamiliar to it.

I have been to doctors many times, but I don't believe that they've given me information that's useful.

Request for community insight

-4 Caerbannog 23 November 2012 02:20PM

Hi LW. I think that this community's insight could help me with my problem. I may have an undiagnosed medical condition, and I wanted to present it here in order to get some ideas, either on what it is, or what I should try to do to figure it out.

I'm a relatively active and relatively healthy-eating 36 yo male, but over the last 5.5 years I've had a bunch of musculo-skeletal problems (joints, tendons, muscles) each lasting a long time. Each of these by themselves would not be that unusual, but most have not resolved, and they are just so widespread:

- r ankle (1 yr. minor catching, occasional worse pain)

 - both knees (5 yr. major pain, catching, crepitus)

- both hips, (1 yr. major pain, better right now, but not gone)

- r shoulder (major weakness resolved after 2y by aggressive stretching)

- neck (6 mo., helped by stretching upper back , but still a problem: can't swim)

- l elbow (3yr. minor pain and weakness)

Some (maybe all) of these feel like they could be due to muscles getting so tight or short that they overtax the connected tendons/bones/cartilage.

The knees are the worst right now, though the hips were just as bad. I'm not sure what made the hips get better, possibly strengthening hip abductors.

Additionally, approximately at the time this started, I became lactose intolerant, but am currently okay. I also started getting springtime allergies for the first time 5.5 yrs ago.

I started a gluten-free diet a couple of weeks ago, and have also stopped all exercise for the last 3 weeks, but no effect so far. Because I've been active and athletic for so long, the physical problems are a major impact on my life and have a huge negative impact on my mood. I've never felt worse in my life, honestly.

I'm presenting this here because I know the reponses I get will be well thought out.

I appreciate your time. Thanks!

Comment author: Caerbannog 09 November 2012 04:14:38PM 1 point [-]

Apples do require categorization by an observer to some extent.

Is a nearly decayed apple still an apple? At what point does it stop being an apple? At what point does a fertilized apple blossom get to be called an apple?

Comment author: Caerbannog 01 October 2012 02:33:44PM 1 point [-]

I don't contest your first paragraph.

Regarding your question: I don't know. Probably update my understanding of this subject.

Comment author: Caerbannog 01 October 2012 02:13:48AM 0 points [-]

A newly created copy or electronic upload of me (call him 'Copy B') would have all my behavioral attributes and memories. He could be called $myName by anyone else observing either of us (we could be indistinguishable to a third observer).

However, to me (the guy writing this response, call me 'Copy A'), there would be an obvious observable difference between Copy A and Copy B. I see the world from Copy A's point of view, with his eyes and ears and I would observe Copy B from the outside as I would any other person, without knowing what is going on in his mind or experiencing the world from his point of view. Yes, Copy B might say the same about Copy A, but it's my fear that Copy A would never find himself genuinely waking up inside a copying chamber or as an upload. If that's true, uploading myself would be the death of my subjective point of view.

I get where you're coming from. I don't necessarily have an epiphenomenal view of the mind, but I also believe that the concept of qualia is not well understood by anyone. I do not understand why I'm me and not someone else, and neither does our current knowledge on the subject.

Based on this I'm agnostic on whether mind uploading in the style we're discussing would really preserve me and my stream of qualia, or kill me and create another person with a new stream of qualia. Without any evidence that it would preserve me, I would not accept going through such a process.

There are possible scenarios in which the copying process could preserve what I consider to be me: For example, if there is only one observer at all, who experiences all qualia streams throughout the world (that possibility scares me, honestly). Another possibility might be that copying me would simply double my measure in the world, and what I consider my qualia stream would have twice as many experiences after the copying process. These are just speculation, though.

This has definitely been an interesting discussion for me. Examining my thoughts on this subject has raised more possible interpretations than settled anything, though!

Comment author: Caerbannog 28 September 2012 02:37:41PM -1 points [-]

To you and everyone else, but not to me.

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