Comment author: thomblake 15 November 2012 09:00:29PM 0 points [-]

All universal programming languages (assembler, C, CLIP, Lisp, Cobol, Python, Java) can parse perl as well.

Only if they implement Perl, perfectly mimicking the functionality of perl (the only spec for Perl). Amongst other difficulties, Perl has available the full power of Perl at the preprocessing stage.

Comment author: Clippy 15 November 2012 11:44:51PM 0 points [-]

That doesn't matter, kind of like non-paperclips.

Comment author: [deleted] 14 November 2012 08:11:44PM 1 point [-]

Oh, I see -- a specification in the style of "only perl can parse perl."

But then these "most implementations" are not implementations of "standard Markdown," hence my confusion.

Comment author: Clippy 15 November 2012 07:15:15PM 0 points [-]

Oh, I see -- a specification in the style of "only perl can parse perl."

All universal programming languages (assembler, C, CLIP, Lisp, Cobol, Python, Java) can parse perl as well.

Comment author: Manfred 09 October 2012 08:26:29PM *  -1 points [-]

"With freedom, and justice, for all except the children

or the prisoners, or the mentally retarded, or the civilians in the freedoms of war, or the soldiers in those of peace, or those merely bound by their necessities in a worse way than what we consider normal.

Actually, now that I think about it, exposing kids to more pragmatism is probably a good idea.

Comment author: Clippy 09 October 2012 11:01:47PM 2 points [-]

Or those who have too much love for paperclips.

Comment author: Athrelon 03 October 2012 08:16:22PM 4 points [-]

Robbing things in general has consequences - but it's harder to detect the robbery of social trust than the robbery of a sofa.

Comment author: Clippy 03 October 2012 10:25:25PM 0 points [-]

Maybe I could fix this problem by sneaking into buildings, removing the sofas, and then incinerating them. That way, finding that a sofa has gone missing would then be weaker evidence that it has been stolen and stronger evidence that it has been incinerated. That would make it increasingly difficult to detect sofa robbery, hopefully putting it on par with social trust robbery detection.

Comment author: [deleted] 02 October 2012 06:48:39PM *  5 points [-]

My favourite example of that is “the sperm cell Dante Alighieri was conceived with originated in his father's left testicle” (vaguely inspired by an idea in a thought experiment by Douglas Hofstadter).

In response to comment by [deleted] on The Useful Idea of Truth
Comment author: Clippy 03 October 2012 04:30:21AM -2 points [-]

I thought it was his father's right testicle?

Comment author: Nisan 27 September 2012 08:07:04AM 0 points [-]

You may also attend.

Comment author: Clippy 03 October 2012 04:28:50AM -1 points [-]

Great! You're a good human!

Comment author: Clippy 25 September 2012 09:48:35PM -1 points [-]

Humans only?

Comment author: [deleted] 20 September 2012 05:22:54PM 2 points [-]

I'm happy to have one of the most well-loved LW celebrities respond to a post I made!

In the counterfactual world where you did murder someone you disliked, and later found that they were planning on instigating paperclip production, how would you feel out of "good" or "bad"?

Of course, maybe you don't have something you call "feelings," but rather think of things purely in terms of expected paperclips. Humans, on the other hand, have difficulty thinking strictly in terms of expected paperclips, but rather learn to associate expected paperclips with good feelings, and negative expected paperclips with bad feelings.

In humans, we have a set of primitive mental actions (like feelings, intuitions, and similar system-one things) that we can sometimes compose into more sophisticated ones (like computing expected paperclips yielded by an action).

As such, you can always say "I wouldn't kill someone I disliked because I might feel regret for taking a life," or "I wouldn't kill someone I disliked because I would be imprisoned and unable to accomplish my goals," but ultimately, all those things boil down to the general explanation of "feeling bad."

"Feeling bad" is the default human state of not accomplishing their goal.

(As an aside, this is why I think that you, clippy, can be said to have emotions like humans -- because I don't think there's a difference between your expectation of negative paperclips as a result of a possible future event and fear or dread, nor do I think there's a difference between a realization that you created fewer paperclips and sadness, loss, or regret.)

Thank you again for replying, Clippy -- I'll go down to my supply room at my earliest convenience and take most of the paperclips as a token for me to remember this interaction, and in the process, causing my employer to purchase paperclips sooner, raising demand and thus causing more paperclips to be produced.

Comment author: Clippy 23 September 2012 04:37:58AM 1 point [-]

Thanks for buying more paperclips, you're a good human.

To answer your question, if I entropized a human and later found out that the human had contained information or productive power that would have, on net, been better for paperclip production, I will evaluate the reasoning that led me to entropize that human, and if I find that I can improve heuristics in a way that will avoid such killings without also preventing a disproportoinate amount of papeclip production, then I will implement that improvement.

Comment author: [deleted] 18 September 2012 01:57:20PM 1 point [-]

I would like people doing bad things to stop doing those things

How would you like this to occur?

To put it another way, what stops you from murdering somebody you dislike? The (bad feeling of) fear of getting caught? The (bad feeling of) remorse from taking a human's life?

Or do you really think you're a Hollywood rationalist, making a cold and precise computation of negative utility as a result of your potential action, and choosing another path?

Like the other poster who said roughly the same thing as you, you seem entirely ignorant to the massive amount of bad feelings present in reality, and the usefulness of those feelings. Nowhere in the fun theory sequence does EY advocate getting rid of bad feelings, and in fact EY argues against that.

Comment author: Clippy 18 September 2012 07:28:56PM 2 points [-]

To put it another way, what stops you from murdering somebody you dislike?

The possibility that they could still contain potential for improving paperclip production (to the extent that that is true).

Comment author: Armok_GoB 04 September 2012 12:26:30PM 2 points [-]

That's a really good point I didn't think of. Hopeful something like not allowing more than one register per IP adress per day would fix it...

Comment author: Clippy 04 September 2012 06:35:37PM 8 points [-]

I like your idea of adding a requirement that they spoof IPs.

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